arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I didn't see it on the home page.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20793572/carmelo-anthony-messy-painful-complicated-legacy-new-york-knicks-nba

It is not where you are - it is who you are.
I do not expect Melo to change his ways but the true leaders he is joining may be able to use him to the advantage of the team.
Or may be not. WE will find out.. and pretty soon

arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I didn't see it on the home page.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20793572/carmelo-anthony-messy-painful-complicated-legacy-new-york-knicks-nba

It is not where you are - it is who you are.
I do not expect Melo to change his ways but the true leaders he is joining may be able to use him to the advantage of the team.
Or may be not. WE will find out.. and pretty soon

That was one of the best articles I have read on Melo's tenure with the Knicks. Not sure where your comment fits with the context.

Melo always seems to blame everything around him for the failures his NBA tenure was associated with in NY.
Never himself. Like situations he get into were not easily predictable to end with club failure.
First get traded in by stripping team from any assets and then resign by doing just same.
Not to say that it should not be his business to make sure that obvious failures will be avoidable.
But he and his advisers knew what they are getting into and what will be the rewards. Certainly not winning.
Real man makes no excuses and does not need them to be made by others.
His time in NY was a failure. His failure and club failure.
Now its over and time to clean it up on both sides.

CrushAlot wrote:I didn't see it on the home page.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20793572/carmelo-anthony-messy-painful-complicated-legacy-new-york-knicks-nba

What's "complicated"

In NY, he didn't care and he didn't try. No max effort on his part.

If he does the same in OKC, it means it's more of the same - a non professional who doesn't respect the game.

OR, he actually tries, which only indicates even further how little he cared and did not try in NY, which again, shows how little he respects the game and that he's not a true professional.

Guys like Hofstra will say look, he was voted Miss Congeniality by his teammates for X years in a row! As if that would ever override the issue of not caring and not trying.

Either road shows Melo as a toxic player. He either is indifferent because he doesn't value winning at all. Or he's indifferent and petulant. As if one over the other is somehow better.

I see people try to rationalize the lack of real professionalism ( max effort is that freaking hard?) and I keep saying over and over - Is that the crap people teach their kids? If you don't like the Little League coach, well don't try, don't put in full effort. Be petulant. Don't put any effort. It's their fault they didn't put better 8 year olds around you in the batting order.

Basic rule of life. If you can't explain your actions to an 8 year old kid in terms of right versus wrong, then what the flying f**k does that say about your decision making?

So what's the narrative here? Say one thing but do another depending on the circumstance ( in which case, what is one truly teaching their kids?) or basically holding values that ultimately means ones kids are raised to be trash. You tell a kid it's OK to not try their best and give max effort in competitive sports, then what are you teaching those kids? You are teaching them to be a piece of trash.

What the flying f**k is so damn complicated about MAX EFFORT?

It's not like anyone is asking Melo to cure cancer. Just freaking put your HANDS IN THE AIR AND BASICALLY JUST TRY when someone is trying to shoot over you. How hard is that?

That people want to try to rationalize that away is just sad ( he didn't have the right team mates, it's Jackson fault, he was slagged in the press, and on and on. )

What did Chris Rock say? What are you doing at the club on a Tuesday night? Is it your birthday? Did you get a promotion? Because if the kid calls his grandma as "Mom" and his Mom as "Pam", the kid is gonna end up in jail.

There is no excuse for not trying your best. I mean freaking 7 year old kids understand this. And you get guys like Hofstra trying to troll and massage away something so basic and fundamental, it's just pathetic.

Think about that. There is some 7 year old kid in Brooklyn who understands the concept of team work, obligation and accountability, but Melo does not. What does that say? How pathetic is that?

As for OKC my prediction is that it will fail horribly unless Melo plays as an overpaid 6th man. Too many ball stoppers on the court if you play their big three together, and none of them space the floor either.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's no legacy if there's no rings.

Not true. Ewing definitely built a legacy with no rings and we have guys who talk up Bernard King to this day.

Melo's legacy? He was a scorer and not much else. We got exactly what we traded for. A guy who scored his way and played his way. We never really saw much of an uptick in the things he's been knocked on, like defense or passing. We got the one great year, but Melo's poor playoff record followed him to NY and (as usual) he shot about 40 points lower then he did in the regular season.

End of the day he's just another player to pass through during this era of dysfunction under Dolan. Melo has been the best player during that era, and the record shows that. Got a few playoff games and a couple winning seasons. End of the day Melo is not good enough to "build around" and the Knicks FO sure as hell wasnt good enough to make his acquisition worthwhile.

Good enough guy. Good philanthropist, winning came 2nd to hats, money and being popular.

Next...

TripleThreat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I didn't see it on the home page.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20793572/carmelo-anthony-messy-painful-complicated-legacy-new-york-knicks-nba

What's "complicated"

In NY, he didn't care and he didn't try. No max effort on his part.

If he does the same in OKC, it means it's more of the same - a non professional who doesn't respect the game.

OR, he actually tries, which only indicates even further how little he cared and did not try in NY, which again, shows how little he respects the game and that he's not a true professional.

Guys like Hofstra will say look, he was voted Miss Congeniality by his teammates for X years in a row! As if that would ever override the issue of not caring and not trying.

Either road shows Melo as a toxic player. He either is indifferent because he doesn't value winning at all. Or he's indifferent and petulant. As if one over the other is somehow better.

I see people try to rationalize the lack of real professionalism ( max effort is that freaking hard?) and I keep saying over and over - Is that the crap people teach their kids? If you don't like the Little League coach, well don't try, don't put in full effort. Be petulant. Don't put any effort. It's their fault they didn't put better 8 year olds around you in the batting order.

Basic rule of life. If you can't explain your actions to an 8 year old kid in terms of right versus wrong, then what the flying f**k does that say about your decision making?

So what's the narrative here? Say one thing but do another depending on the circumstance ( in which case, what is one truly teaching their kids?) or basically holding values that ultimately means ones kids are raised to be trash. You tell a kid it's OK to not try their best and give max effort in competitive sports, then what are you teaching those kids? You are teaching them to be a piece of trash.

What the flying f**k is so damn complicated about MAX EFFORT?

It's not like anyone is asking Melo to cure cancer. Just freaking put your HANDS IN THE AIR AND BASICALLY JUST TRY when someone is trying to shoot over you. How hard is that?

That people want to try to rationalize that away is just sad ( he didn't have the right team mates, it's Jackson fault, he was slagged in the press, and on and on. )

What did Chris Rock say? What are you doing at the club on a Tuesday night? Is it your birthday? Did you get a promotion? Because if the kid calls his grandma as "Mom" and his Mom as "Pam", the kid is gonna end up in jail.

There is no excuse for not trying your best. I mean freaking 7 year old kids understand this. And you get guys like Hofstra trying to troll and massage away something so basic and fundamental, it's just pathetic.

Think about that. There is some 7 year old kid in Brooklyn who understands the concept of team work, obligation and accountability, but Melo does not. What does that say? How pathetic is that?

What a LONG opinionated rant of pure speculation and bull ****.

Here I'll make it simple for simple minds.

Good player - No support. Done.

Stop with the bull****. Only a moron would have expected anything with the support he had around him during his tenure here. (Please don't make me list the many wining pieces placed around him.) Unless you think this is like the Play station game your always on.

Does AD sucks in NO?
Does Westbrook suck in OKC
Did KD suck in OKC?
Does Harden suck in HOU?

They all never won. And anyone can point to their short comings. Yet Melo should have won a chip with a broken down STAT as the best player we ever put next to him. GTFOH.

It's over bro. He is in a better place and we can try, yet again, to see if this organazation doesn't **** things up....again. Just make sure you don't have the same stupid expectations for KP or any other good player we bring in here and is surrounded by scraps.

Anthony will start his new NBA life on the Thunder. In OKC, he'll be paired with the kind of elite talent in Russell Westbrook and Paul George that he never shared the floor with in New York.

Very simple.

Please put forth your brilliant arguments to the contrary. And please, use caps, if necessary.

The franchise spent years winning 20 games a season and going nowhere fast. We traded 4 goobers who at best were midrange talent that did nothing, career-wise, to compare to Melo's worst years. We got one of the goobers back for nothing.

We then proceeded to get into the playoffs with a combination of the most embarrassing sheehit unlike almost anything this league has ever seen. Red Vino Amare, he being the only basketball player on earth to make a fire extinguisher laugh. Jason Layup Line Kidd. Rashweed. InvisiCamby. JR Fuhuquing Smith. Landry The Parabola Fields. FluTyson.

Gets us singlehandedly to the second round of the playoffs where NOBODY shows up for Game 6 except him.

Plays through the worst front office tenure in the history of the Knicks.

I guess we shall see how terribly horrible the Melo legacy turns out to be.

I am truly hoping that KP can win us more than 2 games all by himself, because there's not much there proven besides him.