BigDaddyG wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

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I've seen Melo dog enough plays in defense and make selfish plays to know that's not entirely true. There's plenty of blame to throw around on both sides.

shinmen wrote:It's not that Mc Dermott and Kanter are horrible players, it's just they are not a good fit at all. Both are defensive sieves. We are not going to be a good defensive team despite what all management has emphasized.

For me it's the crushing disappointment we couldn't land Terrance Ferguson- I really thought we would. Still, I'm glad melo is gone, I just feel like we got essentially nothing in return. Better than what Houston were offering, and we might be able to flip the two players for a second rounder or two further down the line. But still- there lack of defense worries me when our whole focus is meant to be on improving defense.

BigDaddyG wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

reub wrote:I remember Horny saying that the team needed to add toughness in the offseason. Kanter definitely brings that. It should open up our outside game considerably. Just 24 years old, his advanced stats are incredible!

He doesn't pass, and his defense is horrible. He is very efficient at scoring and rebounding though. This is why OKC reduced him to a 20min man off the bench to maximize his skill set.

He's not a good fit with KP. We need to move him and try to open up cap space.

Why isn't he a good fit? He fits similarly to how Willy fits. Big inside game that opens up the perimeter for KP and everyone else. His Rodman-like rebounding is something that will definitely take the pressure off of KP who is light in that department.

smackeddog wrote:

shinmen wrote:It's not that Mc Dermott and Kanter are horrible players, it's just they are not a good fit at all. Both are defensive sieves. We are not going to be a good defensive team despite what all management has emphasized.

For me it's the crushing disappointment we couldn't land Terrance Ferguson- I really thought we would. Still, I'm glad melo is gone, I just feel like we got essentially nothing in return. Better than what Houston were offering, and we might be able to flip the two players for a second rounder or two further down the line. But still- there lack of defense worries me when our whole focus is meant to be on improving defense.

Kanter was an ends to a means. He was not targeted to fit into a system/philosophy. I wouldn't be surprised if the Knicks try to divest themselves of him at the earliest possible time.

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

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I've seen Melo dog enough plays in defense and make selfish plays to know that's not entirely true. There's plenty of blame to throw around on both sides.

Melo has been the same player for his entire tenure in NY. Not adjusting and building around him was a mistake by management. If Melo was also the best defensive player on the squads he ran with the Knicks still suck really bad especially the last three years.

i dont think you can or could build around melo being the main guy he just doesnt have a good overall game. I think even melo realizes That he fits better as the 2nd ir third guy who only has to concentrate on scoring

He's older now but it could have been done. Grunwald was the only guy that did it. Then Mills treaded water for a year and Phil came with a different mindset.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

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I've seen Melo dog enough plays in defense and make selfish plays to know that's not entirely true. There's plenty of blame to throw around on both sides.

Melo has been the same player for his entire tenure in NY. Not adjusting and building around him was a mistake by management. If Melo was also the best defensive player on the squads he ran with the Knicks still suck really bad especially the last three years.

i dont think you can or could build around melo being the main guy he just doesnt have a good overall game. I think even melo realizes That he fits better as the 2nd ir third guy who only has to concentrate on scoring

He's older now but it could have been done. Grunwald was the only guy that did it. Then Mills treaded water for a year and Phil came with a different mindset.

not sure about that. Yes he has had success in the regular season but not the playoffs. He just isnt that type of player

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/Gibberman10/status/911667231859236864

I've seen Melo dog enough plays in defense and make selfish plays to know that's not entirely true. There's plenty of blame to throw around on both sides.

Melo has been the same player for his entire tenure in NY. Not adjusting and building around him was a mistake by management. If Melo was also the best defensive player on the squads he ran with the Knicks still suck really bad especially the last three years.

i dont think you can or could build around melo being the main guy he just doesnt have a good overall game. I think even melo realizes That he fits better as the 2nd ir third guy who only has to concentrate on scoring

He's older now but it could have been done. Grunwald was the only guy that did it. Then Mills treaded water for a year and Phil came with a different mindset.

not sure about that. Yes he has had success in the regular season but not the playoffs. He just isnt that type of player

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reub wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

reub wrote:I remember Horny saying that the team needed to add toughness in the offseason. Kanter definitely brings that. It should open up our outside game considerably. Just 24 years old, his advanced stats are incredible!

He doesn't pass, and his defense is horrible. He is very efficient at scoring and rebounding though. This is why OKC reduced him to a 20min man off the bench to maximize his skill set.

He's not a good fit with KP. We need to move him and try to open up cap space.

Why isn't he a good fit? He fits similarly to how Willy fits. Big inside game that opens up the perimeter for KP and everyone else. His Rodman-like rebounding is something that will definitely take the pressure off of KP who is light in that department.

Kanter doesn't even avg 1 ast, doesn't draw doubles

knicks1248 wrote:

reub wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

reub wrote:I remember Horny saying that the team needed to add toughness in the offseason. Kanter definitely brings that. It should open up our outside game considerably. Just 24 years old, his advanced stats are incredible!

He doesn't pass, and his defense is horrible. He is very efficient at scoring and rebounding though. This is why OKC reduced him to a 20min man off the bench to maximize his skill set.

He's not a good fit with KP. We need to move him and try to open up cap space.

Why isn't he a good fit? He fits similarly to how Willy fits. Big inside game that opens up the perimeter for KP and everyone else. His Rodman-like rebounding is something that will definitely take the pressure off of KP who is light in that department.

Kanter doesn't even avg 1 ast, doesn't draw doubles

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

reub wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

reub wrote:I remember Horny saying that the team needed to add toughness in the offseason. Kanter definitely brings that. It should open up our outside game considerably. Just 24 years old, his advanced stats are incredible!

He doesn't pass, and his defense is horrible. He is very efficient at scoring and rebounding though. This is why OKC reduced him to a 20min man off the bench to maximize his skill set.

He's not a good fit with KP. We need to move him and try to open up cap space.

Why isn't he a good fit? He fits similarly to how Willy fits. Big inside game that opens up the perimeter for KP and everyone else. His Rodman-like rebounding is something that will definitely take the pressure off of KP who is light in that department.

Kanter doesn't even avg 1 ast, doesn't draw doubles

His per 36 has him averaging 6.7 free throws a game, double Willy's per 36.

Kanter has averaged more than 5 offensive rebounds per 36 minutes for the past 3 years. Rodman averaged slightly less than 6 offensive rebounds per 36 for his career. We can use his toughness.