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BigDaddyG
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9/21/2017  2:36 PM
Kevin Pelton has us at 24. Only the Pacers, Suns, Nets, Hawks, Kings and Bulls ranked lower.

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/20760622/nba-future-power-rankings-kevin-pelton-bobby-marks-project-best-teams-next-three-seasons

24. New York Knicks
RANK SCORE
Players 23 32.5
Management 28 17.5
Money 10 62.5
Market 3 85
Draft 8 65
Overall: 39.6
After a fourth consecutive lottery season, the Knicks continue to search for a path back to the postseason -- a task complicated by New York's difficulty trading veteran All-Star Carmelo Anthony due to his no-trade clause.

At least the Knicks appear to have found stability in the front office, with Scott Perry joining a promoted Steve Mills. Unfortunately, Perry's arrival came too late for this year's draft -- when Phil Jackson took Frank Ntilikina in large part due to his fit in the triangle, an offense the team won't run after Jackson's firing -- and free agency, when New York overpaid to sign Tim Hardaway Jr.

Despite the Hardaway contract, the Knicks could have cap space in the summer of 2019, and they have all their own first-round picks. So assuming they can repair their relationship with budding star Kristaps Porzingis, there appears to be hope in Gotham City.

-- Kevin Pelton

(Previous rank: 27)

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fishmike
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9/21/2017  3:42 PM
when Phil Jackson took Frank Ntilikina in large part due to his fit in the triangle
of all the lazy reporting this one irks me the most. I guess the reason most every mock at Ntilikina in the top 12 was because of the all the triangle teams in that range.

Knicks took Ntilikina because they are and have been among the worst defensive teams in the league. For years they have SUCKED at playing defense. Their draft was focused on improving that.

But... its Kevin Pelton. This fodder continues until the Knicks dispel it

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nixluva
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9/21/2017  3:43 PM
In truth Phil stated that he wanted 2 way players and in particular good on ball defenders. There's nothing about picking Nitty that doesn't fit with that stated goal. I'm sure it would've been much more HYPED up if we took DSJ or even Monk, but in the end this is a very talented kid. Just not in the same glitzy way that a DSJ is likely to play.
From what i've gathered Mills was on the same page with what Phil was looking to do with the types of talent on the roster. He hasn't really departed from that approach. I'm not even convinced that they'll trash all of the Triangle.

Also the principles that Phil looked for with regard to players that could fit the Triangle are not singular. Those same attributes can be applied to just about any team. In fact i'd say that a kid like Nitty would fit on GSW as well as the Spurs quite easily. He's not an AAU product. He has that Team Oriented Euro approach to the game. It's a winning approach.

The notion of the Knicks Overpaying for THJ is really overblown IMO. He's being paid more than ATL perhaps wanted to pay him but in terms of his abilities he's being paid pretty much exactly what his value is. If he improves as the Knicks hope then all the better.
Cartman718
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9/22/2017  10:04 AM

we need to dispel this first. kinda ridiculous some of the losses we had this past season

Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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9/22/2017  11:27 AM
If we are doing 3 year rankings, our spot is about right. The main thing is the front office has to prove themselves as competent and won't be given the benefit of the doubt. In fact, the assumption is they are going to be bad until proven otherwise. If this were a 5 year expectation, Knicks would be higher i believe. I think we will go up over time as the young players grow and front office establishes competence. At the end of the day, we have a franchise player and other quality young prospects. That should put us ahead of teams like the Magic and Pistons for example, but the front office respect level will need to climb.
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9/22/2017  6:49 PM
I’m an optimist. 50 year Knick fan. If KP ends up a top 15 “franchise” player and resilient and Wily continues his development it bodes well. Yet or later, the Knicks will require a “tatum”, or a Doncic - someone who has killer instincts, athletic and is among the leagues top scorers. THJr is fine and I hope Nitty works out as a backcourt gem for years to come. When it’s the conference semi finals, and it’s under a minute in game 7, I won’t mind KP taking the last shot yet i want a cold blooded assassin that can light it up and be a Perrenial all star. A lot to ask you say? Well sure why not. If we are 500 in 2-3 years, we can secure a stud FA but To win and be in the finals it’s about super talent in a super talent league
nixluva
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9/22/2017  7:08 PM
IMO people tend to forget the NBA ebbs and flows. This cycle of Superteams won't last forever. The Knicks need only be concerned with themselves, building and developing their own stars. This is a long term process.
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9/22/2017  11:07 PM
fishmike wrote:
when Phil Jackson took Frank Ntilikina in large part due to his fit in the triangle
of all the lazy reporting this one irks me the most. I guess the reason most every mock at Ntilikina in the top 12 was because of the all the triangle teams in that range.

Knicks took Ntilikina because they are and have been among the worst defensive teams in the league. For years they have SUCKED at playing defense. Their draft was focused on improving that.

But... its Kevin Pelton. This fodder continues until the Knicks dispel it

exactly. Frank is a good two way player which is what we desperately needed in the backcourt.
GustavBahler
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9/23/2017  8:47 AM
Coming off a 30 win season, the Knicks are going to have to show something on the court to get the media's attention. Been a while since we did that.

I am confident that this upcoming season wont be the dumpster fire that last season was, the negativity.
Bonn1997
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9/23/2017  10:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/23/2017  10:58 AM
Knixkik wrote:If we are doing 3 year rankings, our spot is about right. The main thing is the front office has to prove themselves as competent and won't be given the benefit of the doubt. In fact, the assumption is they are going to be bad until proven otherwise. If this were a 5 year expectation, Knicks would be higher i believe. I think we will go up over time as the young players grow and front office establishes competence. At the end of the day, we have a franchise player and other quality young prospects. That should put us ahead of teams like the Magic and Pistons for example, but the front office respect level will need to climb.

Really? KP will be a lot better in year 7 than 5 or Willy in 6 than 4? I'm guessing if this was a 5 year projection, they'd still have us pretty low.
GustavBahler
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9/27/2017  1:03 PM
Super Team rankings and future Super Teams (No Knicks)

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20810860/superteam-standings-thunder-big-three-warriors-level
nixluva
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9/27/2017  1:14 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Super Team rankings and future Super Teams (No Knicks)

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20810860/superteam-standings-thunder-big-three-warriors-level

This was interesting. I disagreed only with the inclusion of Teague along with Butler. They said KAT was likely to join the club this year but I think KP should be on that up and coming list as well.
BigDaddyG
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9/27/2017  1:44 PM
nixluva wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Super Team rankings and future Super Teams (No Knicks)

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20810860/superteam-standings-thunder-big-three-warriors-level

This was interesting. I disagreed only with the inclusion of Teague along with Butler. They said KAT was likely to join the club this year but I think KP should be on that up and coming list as well.


Yeah, Jeff Teague is a star but Jrue Holiday wasn't good enough?
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