Knickoftime wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Knickoftime wrote:martin wrote:dacash wrote:why is this here and not kinda off topic
off-season. During season we'd definitely move this appropriately.
That said Martin, it's your choice to make, but my opinion to be expressed...
I loathe the participation trophy era of quote-unquote 'free speech.' We celebrate merely having an opinion, which pretty much anyone with a brainstem has, rather than productive expression of an opinion.
Having toxic, stupid **** on any discussion forum, particularly contributed by people who prove they can't even participate in a discussion, makes it worse, not better, and makes us worse, not better.
and briggs opinion to be expressed as well. just because you view something as "toxic, stuipd ****" doesn't mean you are any more correct than briggs. you are no better than anyone on this forum.
You misunderstand the United States of America.
'Freedom of speech' was never meant to be interpreted as 'Equivalency of ideas'.
This country is founded on the fact that we have better ideas than others. We didn't identify the idea that 'all men are created equal' was our opinion, but that 'hey we respect anyone who thinks differently.' We identified it as a self-evident objective truth.
We fight wars, including a civil one, over ideas. We believe the ideas of other countries are flat-out wrong in areas like human rights.
People need to get off their low horse and understand our country is not about any idiot's ideas is just good as valuable as anyone else's.
That's about as anti-American as you can get.
Funny, "all men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights" The founders already knew the inherent contradictions in that statement, given the status of slavery in the land at the time of founding. Black Africans were also enslaving and selling their own people as well. The Civil War was the bloody result that Jefferson foretold in his Notes on Virginia, despite his unenlightened views on racial differences. Which, by the way, were retold by Darwin a century later in the Descent of Man.
Your better idea was a return to a certain transcending truth (that you conveniently don't mention) that was supposed to have been abolished in 1648 when the powers that be got tired of fighting religious war after religious war. It wasn't elevating a bunch of colonials with better ideas, the country was founded on the fact that not even the divine right of kings could usurp the ultimate authority, the ultimate Creator of "ideas" and "words".
You identify that all men as created equal and then contradict yourself by identifying some men as inept, toxic, sheehit-spouting idiots who don't deserve a seat at your table. Interesting.
Hail the Nietzchean Superman! Please let us know who qualifies for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
The anthem is an accepted societal practice of respecting the symbol of the country. Neither of which are laws at this time. You are free to disrespect the flag, stand upside down and pee yourself during the anthem or otherwise protest within the boundaries of the laws of the land. Just don't act like you're not doing anything disrespectful. You can say you're protesting, striving to be free, striving to right the wrongs of the ages, just don't try and justify it as anything other than a protest through disrespect.
The country was founded on protesting and disrespecting the societal and cultural norm of divine royalty. But nobody tried to justify it as anything else.