https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/30/16220134/universal-basic-income-roosevelt-institute-economic-growth

read the full article but here's a little snippet:

Their paper analyzes three different models for a universal basic income:

1. A full universal basic income, in which every adult gets $1,000 a month ($12,000 a year)
2. A partial basic income, in which every adult gets $500 a month ($6,000 a year)
3. A child allowance, in which every child gets $250 a month ($3,000 a year)

They find that enacting any of these policies by growing the federal debt — that is, without raising taxes to pay for it — would substantially grow the economy. The effect fades away within eight years, but GDP is left permanently higher. The big, $12,000 per year per adult policy, they find, would permanently grow the economy by 12.56 to 13.10 percent — or about $2.5 trillion come 2025. It would also, they find, increase the percentage of Americans with jobs by about 2 percent, and expand the labor force to the tune of 4.5 to 4.7 million people.

GustavBahler wrote:Almost 50 million people in the US living in poverty, mostly in the south. No way southern lawmakers would go along with this. If it ever happens, it will happen like single payer, on the state level.

The way this country is headed, without some sort of national reconciliation, America as we know it will probably no longer exist in 15-20 years. Might have some kind of balkanization to look forward to in our future.

We are talking about federal program here not on the local or state level.
And this is additional issue with population of rich and developed states or localities not mature enough to sponsor pure and underdeveloped.
On top of this a lot of pure people have no idea and are getting no help in applying and fighting through bureaucratic system to get what they are already entitled to.
This is a shame when with so many people crying wolf about pure and abused people but not doing anything in educating this people about what they entitled to; not even talking about helping to get this resources.
Not like this is impossible. For example a bunch of layers and emigration offices in Brooklyn are working to get every dollar Russian emigrants are entitled to with any kind of permanent resident status. And all of them are getting every dollar available. It cost some fees to get it but very insignificant comparing to the resources people get.
Russians used to universal income in USSR and do not have any hesitation to use it and fight for it.
Mentality is the issue not the finances.

Bonn1997 wrote:If you want a growing economy with as many people doing well as possible, this makes sense. If you want a lot of economic inequality as long as you're at the top (which is what I suspect many want though they won't say it), it doesn't.

I believe providing targeted social support for food, housing, children, health, and education is much better option that hand out cache.
Most of the people have no idea how to use resources wisely and optimally.
On top of this cash can be drained on drags, alcohol, gambling and other addictions.
Making this benefits available for all American Citizens in need and improve social help quality is the main improvement which should be on the table.
The money spend on social help are guarantied to go back in the budget, increase spending, and generate more employment opportunities in consumer sector which is already represent 79% of US economy.

Vmart wrote:Seems like communist ideology.

Communism is based on distribution of wealth and capitalism on creation of wealth.
Poverty should be used as source and motivation for grows.
Communism destroyed the wealth and make everyone pure except of those who are in charge of distribution.

GustavBahler wrote:

Vmart wrote:Seems like communist ideology.

Your local fire dept, your police dept, your grandparent's social security check, is socialism. Most of the wealth created in this country goes to a very select few. We have military bases in over 100 countries not to make the world safe for democracy, but to make the world safe for American corporations to do business.

Many large American corporations pay no taxes, even get money back from the govt. The contribution of corporate America to the tax rolls is at its lowest point since the 1950s. That plus large scale tax avoidance from the one percent leaves poor and middle class Americans picking up the tab, while their wages have been flat for the better part of the last 40 years.

Is it communism to give the tens of millions of people who have suffered from these policies a fair shake? Who cares?

This country should commit to more than one way to serve the interests of all its citizens because too many people (through no fault of their own) are being left behind in an abject poverty. We have to decide what kind of country we want to be. Who does our government serve?

I don't think Corporations should pay taxes. I would rather they create jobs so the worker pay the taxes. That makes more sense. Why tax an entity that is made to help stimulate jobs and economy.

GustavBahler wrote:

Vmart wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Vmart wrote:Seems like communist ideology.

Your local fire dept, your police dept, your grandparent's social security check, is socialism. Most of the wealth created in this country goes to a very select few. We have military bases in over 100 countries not to make the world safe for democracy, but to make the world safe for American corporations to do business.

Many large American corporations pay no taxes, even get money back from the govt. The contribution of corporate America to the tax rolls is at its lowest point since the 1950s. That plus large scale tax avoidance from the one percent leaves poor and middle class Americans picking up the tab, while their wages have been flat for the better part of the last 40 years.

Is it communism to give the tens of millions of people who have suffered from these policies a fair shake? Who cares?

This country should commit to more than one way to serve the interests of all its citizens because too many people (through no fault of their own) are being left behind in an abject poverty. We have to decide what kind of country we want to be. Who does our government serve?

I don't think Corporations should pay taxes. I would rather they create jobs so the worker pay the taxes. That makes more sense. Why tax an entity that is made to help stimulate jobs and economy.

Because the economy will only benefit an even smaller slice of the population. You know why our roads and bridges are falling apart? Our schools are crumbling? Hospitals shutting down? Because some folks believe that the rich should be taxed at a lower rate than everyone else, or they believe that corporations should pay no taxes. What you are suggesting will only accelerate this country's path towards feudalism. Thats one "ism" this country can do without.

The reason it's falling apart is there is a lot of corruption in the NYC area. Everything cost 2x more in that area. I'm currently in the DFW area and they are building new highways and roads. There aren't any state taxes.

GustavBahler wrote:

Vmart wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Vmart wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Vmart wrote:Seems like communist ideology.

Your local fire dept, your police dept, your grandparent's social security check, is socialism. Most of the wealth created in this country goes to a very select few. We have military bases in over 100 countries not to make the world safe for democracy, but to make the world safe for American corporations to do business.

Many large American corporations pay no taxes, even get money back from the govt. The contribution of corporate America to the tax rolls is at its lowest point since the 1950s. That plus large scale tax avoidance from the one percent leaves poor and middle class Americans picking up the tab, while their wages have been flat for the better part of the last 40 years.

Is it communism to give the tens of millions of people who have suffered from these policies a fair shake? Who cares?

This country should commit to more than one way to serve the interests of all its citizens because too many people (through no fault of their own) are being left behind in an abject poverty. We have to decide what kind of country we want to be. Who does our government serve?

I don't think Corporations should pay taxes. I would rather they create jobs so the worker pay the taxes. That makes more sense. Why tax an entity that is made to help stimulate jobs and economy.

Because the economy will only benefit an even smaller slice of the population. You know why our roads and bridges are falling apart? Our schools are crumbling? Hospitals shutting down? Because some folks believe that the rich should be taxed at a lower rate than everyone else, or they believe that corporations should pay no taxes. What you are suggesting will only accelerate this country's path towards feudalism. Thats one "ism" this country can do without.

The reason it's falling apart is there is a lot of corruption in the NYC area. Everything cost 2x more in that area. I'm currently in the DFW area and they are building new highways and roads. There aren't any state taxes.

The country's one trillion dollar plus shortfall in infrastructure repairs isnt because of local corruption. Its because republicans wont allow any large scale infrastructure spending without a backdoor way of privatizing everything. Its because they dont want to raise taxes on the rich and large corporations to do it.

There are state taxes in your area, sales taxes, and that burden falls hardest on the poor and middle class who have to devote much more of their income to pay it than the wealthy.

Don't blame the republicans. This is a entire government problem. The government always gets their money it doesn't matter if they are corporations or rich. They get their money. If they don't tax them on the first shot they will tax them on the second. There are ten ways to skin a cat.

arkrud wrote:

Vmart wrote:Seems like communist ideology.

Communism is based on distribution of wealth and capitalism on creation of wealth.
Poverty should be used as source and motivation for grows.
Communism destroyed the wealth and make everyone pure except of those who are in charge of distribution.

[Sic] the benefits of capitalism

Arizona, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisianna, New Mexico, North and South Carolina and Texas have the highest poverty rates of any state. Each is above the combined US rate.

Must be the Communists!!!!!