The draft is not easy. Wiggins is getting a bit extension and owner has to have the kid come in and remind him he has yet to earn it and they expect him to fulfill his potential. He was the No. 1 pick!!!
Jimmy Butler is going to get paid and hopefully teach Wiggins what it takes.

Boston is going for it and 25 year old Kyrie is worth what they paid. Cav's likey draft a big 19 year old kid that still will need a few years to grow into his body and the league. Ebb and flow, maybe win that pick, lose on Anthony Bennett. They turned Wiggins into Love.

Gilbert has a trophy in a case.
Spurs have a Closet full.
Celtics have a dedicated room.

Celtics built their core with proven players but the key is to build assets either via trade or thru the draft. That created the opportunities!
Small trades like Bradley also matter. They get value in return when you need to clear cap to recruit.
We are very early in this process. But at least we are in the process!!!

Nalod wrote:
The core is Horford, Haywood, and Kyrie. Two free agent signings and one from trade.
Jaylen Brown might be special, Tatum as well. Smart is a solid role player.
crowder came with a pick for Rondo. Thomas was an amazing value trade for them. Smart to not pay a 29 year old midget.
Clev is said to have the best of the deal but it will remain to be seen if Isiah can sustain that level of play. Midgets have to rely on extreme athletic ability and those little bodies take a pounding.
Big credit to him for getting to this place. A lot of hard work to do it and sustain! But to pay him going forward is not a good idea. That takes down the trade a bit for Clev.
If he is able keep this up and they get a break in the draft (not like they did with Bennett) then they would do very well for themselves.

The draft is not easy. Wiggins is getting a bit extension and owner has to have the kid come in and remind him he has yet to earn it and they expect him to fulfill his potential. He was the No. 1 pick!!!
Jimmy Butler is going to get paid and hopefully teach Wiggins what it takes.

Boston is going for it and 25 year old Kyrie is worth what they paid. Cav's likey draft a big 19 year old kid that still will need a few years to grow into his body and the league. Ebb and flow, maybe win that pick, lose on Anthony Bennett. They turned Wiggins into Love.

Gilbert has a trophy in a case.
Spurs have a Closet full.
Celtics have a dedicated room.

Celtics built their core with proven players but the key is to build assets either via trade or thru the draft. That created the opportunities!
Small trades like Bradley also matter. They get value in return when you need to clear cap to recruit.
We are very early in this process. But at least we are in the process!!!

I think they made a big mistake

BRIGGS wrote:

Nalod wrote:
The core is Horford, Haywood, and Kyrie. Two free agent signings and one from trade.
Jaylen Brown might be special, Tatum as well. Smart is a solid role player.
crowder came with a pick for Rondo. Thomas was an amazing value trade for them. Smart to not pay a 29 year old midget.
Clev is said to have the best of the deal but it will remain to be seen if Isiah can sustain that level of play. Midgets have to rely on extreme athletic ability and those little bodies take a pounding.
Big credit to him for getting to this place. A lot of hard work to do it and sustain! But to pay him going forward is not a good idea. That takes down the trade a bit for Clev.
If he is able keep this up and they get a break in the draft (not like they did with Bennett) then they would do very well for themselves.

The draft is not easy. Wiggins is getting a bit extension and owner has to have the kid come in and remind him he has yet to earn it and they expect him to fulfill his potential. He was the No. 1 pick!!!
Jimmy Butler is going to get paid and hopefully teach Wiggins what it takes.

Boston is going for it and 25 year old Kyrie is worth what they paid. Cav's likey draft a big 19 year old kid that still will need a few years to grow into his body and the league. Ebb and flow, maybe win that pick, lose on Anthony Bennett. They turned Wiggins into Love.

Gilbert has a trophy in a case.
Spurs have a Closet full.
Celtics have a dedicated room.

Celtics built their core with proven players but the key is to build assets either via trade or thru the draft. That created the opportunities!
Small trades like Bradley also matter. They get value in return when you need to clear cap to recruit.
We are very early in this process. But at least we are in the process!!!

I think they made a big mistake

I agree with Briggs, they lost all there heart and grit. They replaced them with offensive players who are really bad defensively minus Thomas who was equally bad on defense. Kyrie is super injury prone and brown,Tatum,and Hayward all play the same position. Hartford is on the decline and the lost Kile O who played a huge role off there bench... to add to that they traded the nets pick, if anything Boston took a big step backwards ESP for there future . Kyrie the jersey boy is definitely not staying in Boston after his contract so that gives Boston a 1-2 year window to make a run, with injury prone players .... good luck,not

BRIGGS wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Nalod wrote:
The core is Horford, Haywood, and Kyrie. Two free agent signings and one from trade.
Jaylen Brown might be special, Tatum as well. Smart is a solid role player.
crowder came with a pick for Rondo. Thomas was an amazing value trade for them. Smart to not pay a 29 year old midget.
Clev is said to have the best of the deal but it will remain to be seen if Isiah can sustain that level of play. Midgets have to rely on extreme athletic ability and those little bodies take a pounding.
Big credit to him for getting to this place. A lot of hard work to do it and sustain! But to pay him going forward is not a good idea. That takes down the trade a bit for Clev.
If he is able keep this up and they get a break in the draft (not like they did with Bennett) then they would do very well for themselves.

The draft is not easy. Wiggins is getting a bit extension and owner has to have the kid come in and remind him he has yet to earn it and they expect him to fulfill his potential. He was the No. 1 pick!!!
Jimmy Butler is going to get paid and hopefully teach Wiggins what it takes.

Boston is going for it and 25 year old Kyrie is worth what they paid. Cav's likey draft a big 19 year old kid that still will need a few years to grow into his body and the league. Ebb and flow, maybe win that pick, lose on Anthony Bennett. They turned Wiggins into Love.

Gilbert has a trophy in a case.
Spurs have a Closet full.
Celtics have a dedicated room.

Celtics built their core with proven players but the key is to build assets either via trade or thru the draft. That created the opportunities!
Small trades like Bradley also matter. They get value in return when you need to clear cap to recruit.
We are very early in this process. But at least we are in the process!!!

I think they made a big mistake

I agree with Briggs, they lost all there heart and grit. They replaced them with offensive players who are really bad defensively minus Thomas who was equally bad on defense. Kyrie is super injury prone and brown,Tatum,and Hayward all play the same position. Hartford is on the decline and the lost Kile O who played a huge role off there bench... to add to that they traded the nets pick, if anything Boston took a big step backwards ESP for there future . Kyrie the jersey boy is definitely not staying in Boston after his contract so that gives Boston a 1-2 year window to make a run, with injury prone players .... good luck,not

Exactly right. -- spot on. Gus like isiah and crowder play with a certain intensity and leadership that makes a team go. Does boston have that with horford Hayward and Irving?

Not only did Boston Moshe clev better-- they gave them a top 5 pick

Nalod wrote:.... but the key is to build assets either via trade or thru the draft. That created the opportunities!
Small trades like Bradley also matter. They get value in return when you need to clear cap to recruit.
We are very early in this process. But at least we are in the process!!!

The "key" IMHO is simply to make the best market based decision given the time and place and to be ready to strike when opportunity arises.

Houston at one point had like 11 power forwards one offseason. The best value they could get were power forwards and so they stockpiled them. But when Jame Harden was available in a trade, they had stockpiled assets slowly and had the cap position to strike and move fast for a player they wanted. Same with Chris Paul.

There are going to be instances like Irving, Boogie Cousins, Harden, when a game changing player might be available for complicated reasons. The strong franchises are always in a position to strike and have the warchest to make it happen and make an attractive bid.

I don't think Boston wanted to lose so much defense, but they risked losing Bradley and Thomas for nothing. They likely won't contend this year, so why block developmental minutes for players you'll likely lose without compensation if you don't trade them.

Ainge made the best team he could given the circumstances. Also his team is poised to push by next year. Horford, Hayward and Irving aren't getting any younger.

When I see teams and fans talking about super long range plans, I have no idea what they are doing. The NBA marketplace structure doesn't work like that. You can't plan in advance the way you might in the NFL or MLB. With bigger rosters and more avenues to get talent.

A small number of players make a disproportionate impact on the court in the NBA. Daryl Morey said it best, get All NBA guys, get Olympians, get All Stars and figure out the rest later. The risk for Irving was a calculated one and makes sense from a market based outlook. Volume trades never usually work out in the NBA ( i.e. the team getting the quantity rarely wins out long term in a deal. It's usually 3 quarters for a dollar or 2 quarters for a dollar in impact)

meloshouldgo wrote:Boston starfukked. They also pissed of some fans but shoving IT out. They let go of players who play with grit and they got a no defense chucker, not sure why we are debating this. We all know how this plays out. First round exit are coming up for the Celts.

The Celtics moved on from players they would eventually have to let go for nothing. Crowder is the exception but he was caught in the middle of all these trades.

The Yankees won FOUR RINGS with Tino Martinez. He had some pretty big games and some big hits on that Yankees dynasty run. Moving on from Don Mattingly was hard. Many fans did not like it. He was "Donnie Baseball" after all. But Cashman and the rest had to look at the good of the entire team and it's future.

IT is a shorter player, nearly 30, with an injury history, who would want a super max contract that would clearly be a majority within his decline phase. If you get on a lifeboat from a sinking ship, then you shove out the guy who was in the life boat first and saved your life, into the ocean to die, that's SHOVING SOMEONE OUT.

The Celtics are making the best decision for the franchise and winning.

The NBA is just bizarre at times. The players don't have to answer for anything ever. Nothing is ever their fault. Everyone else needs to take the blame when they don't get what they want. It's like they are a gaggle of blonde sorority girls giggling with big tits or something.

reub wrote:Ainge screwed up big time getting rid of Bradley, IT, Olynyk, Crowder and the Net's pick. Hayward and Tatum both play the same position and Tatum will be limited. Kyrie is a smaller Melo. I hope that he now has to give up another asset because of IT's health issues.

It's the whole team??
Why not use just one of the picks to add a player at the deadline and keep your players. It's like turning 50k into 5 mm and then losing 4.7 mm in one shot. I don't think they are much better off

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:Ainge screwed up big time getting rid of Bradley, IT, Olynyk, Crowder and the Net's pick. Hayward and Tatum both play the same position and Tatum will be limited. Kyrie is a smaller Melo. I hope that he now has to give up another asset because of IT's health issues.

It's the whole team??
Why not use just one of the picks to add a player at the deadline and keep your players. It's like turning 50k into 5 mm and then losing 4.7 mm in one shot. I don't think they are much better off

Why didn't he just keep the team together and draft Fultz or Ball? He outsmarted himself.

He thinks Tatum will also be special.
He thinks Crowder will want to be paid.
He thinks Thomas wanted him to back the truck up.
I am not arguing briggs points, they are good ones. But the fact is things change going forward and
perhaps the team was hitting its wall. Thomas is 29 and now defective. Ainge almost nailed it with his trade value.
(I think Cav's knew exactly what was wrong with thomas and are squeezing more out of Boston, or Has a better deal in its back pocket)
Boston also thinks perhaps that it can go past Cav's. Maybe it thinks lebron takes a "rest" this year?

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:Ainge screwed up big time getting rid of Bradley, IT, Olynyk, Crowder and the Net's pick. Hayward and Tatum both play the same position and Tatum will be limited. Kyrie is a smaller Melo. I hope that he now has to give up another asset because of IT's health issues.

It's the whole team??
Why not use just one of the picks to add a player at the deadline and keep your players. It's like turning 50k into 5 mm and then losing 4.7 mm in one shot. I don't think they are much better off

Why didn't he just keep the team together and draft Fultz or Ball? He outsmarted himself.

He thinks Tatum will also be special.
He thinks Crowder will want to be paid.
He thinks Thomas wanted him to back the truck up.
I am not arguing briggs points, they are good ones. But the fact is things change going forward and
perhaps the team was hitting its wall. Thomas is 29 and now defective. Ainge almost nailed it with his trade value.
(I think Cav's knew exactly what was wrong with thomas and are squeezing more out of Boston, or Has a better deal in its back pocket)
Boston also thinks perhaps that it can go past Cav's. Maybe it thinks lebron takes a "rest" this year?

Bradley and Thomas both had one year left on their deals and would be due to get paid. Crowder has a great contract but the Celts got Heyward and may have felt the need to move him.

Zebo13 wrote:

Nalod wrote:
The core is Horford, Haywood, and Kyrie. Two free agent signings and one from trade.
Jaylen Brown might be special, Tatum as well. Smart is a solid role player.
crowder came with a pick for Rondo. Thomas was an amazing value trade for them. Smart to not pay a 29 year old midget.
Clev is said to have the best of the deal but it will remain to be seen if Isiah can sustain that level of play. Midgets have to rely on extreme athletic ability and those little bodies take a pounding.
Big credit to him for getting to this place. A lot of hard work to do it and sustain! But to pay him going forward is not a good idea. That takes down the trade a bit for Clev.
If he is able keep this up and they get a break in the draft (not like they did with Bennett) then they would do very well for themselves.

The draft is not easy. Wiggins is getting a bit extension and owner has to have the kid come in and remind him he has yet to earn it and they expect him to fulfill his potential. He was the No. 1 pick!!!
Jimmy Butler is going to get paid and hopefully teach Wiggins what it takes.

Boston is going for it and 25 year old Kyrie is worth what they paid. Cav's likey draft a big 19 year old kid that still will need a few years to grow into his body and the league. Ebb and flow, maybe win that pick, lose on Anthony Bennett. They turned Wiggins into Love.

Gilbert has a trophy in a case.
Spurs have a Closet full.
Celtics have a dedicated room.

Celtics built their core with proven players but the key is to build assets either via trade or thru the draft. That created the opportunities!
Small trades like Bradley also matter. They get value in return when you need to clear cap to recruit.
We are very early in this process. But at least we are in the process!!!

I would avoid using the word midget so casually. It's a pretty offensive word, which like so many things, I'm sure you're just unaware.

Yeah, your right.