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8/19/2017  5:18 PM
What do you guys think? Is he worth keeping? He will kill the tank but if its at the expensive of making the playoffs why not?
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8/19/2017  5:56 PM
Knicks aren't tanking anyway so Melo staying isn't really going to impact that Draft IMO. I have no problem with Melo staying if they can't get the trade they want. Why take a bad trade when you don't have to? I fully expect the Knicks will be trying to make the playoffs anyway so I say don't make a bad deal. Just keep Melo and have a good season. That may increase his trade value.
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8/19/2017  6:26 PM
Lets play Melo from bench and he will runaway himself :D
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8/19/2017  7:14 PM
KP4Life wrote:What do you guys think? Is he worth keeping? He will kill the tank but if its at the expensive of making the playoffs why not?

Melo won't kill the tank, he will help us tank

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8/19/2017  7:25 PM
nixluva wrote:Knicks aren't tanking anyway so Melo staying isn't really going to impact that Draft IMO. I have no problem with Melo staying if they can't get the trade they want. Why take a bad trade when you don't have to? I fully expect the Knicks will be trying to make the playoffs anyway so I say don't make a bad deal. Just keep Melo and have a good season. That may increase his trade value.
You have been trashing him all summer and talking about what he does behind the scenes etc. This surprises me a bit. In regards to your current post, I feel the same way but I believe you were pretty adamant that he needed to be gone because of all the bad things that he does( i.e. influencing teammates negatively, sabotaging coaches etc.). I didn't agree with your previous stance on Melo but I am surprised by your turnaround.
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8/19/2017  10:07 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:Knicks aren't tanking anyway so Melo staying isn't really going to impact that Draft IMO. I have no problem with Melo staying if they can't get the trade they want. Why take a bad trade when you don't have to? I fully expect the Knicks will be trying to make the playoffs anyway so I say don't make a bad deal. Just keep Melo and have a good season. That may increase his trade value.
You have been trashing him all summer and talking about what he does behind the scenes etc. This surprises me a bit. In regards to your current post, I feel the same way but I believe you were pretty adamant that he needed to be gone because of all the bad things that he does( i.e. influencing teammates negatively, sabotaging coaches etc.). I didn't agree with your previous stance on Melo but I am surprised by your turnaround.

Melo is a Knick until he is traded.
It is in his and team interest to show a good competitive bbal.
Melo has a chance to prove many people wrong about his ability to redefine his game.
He was unable to do it so far and many excuses were used to make it somebody else fault.
Can he get away leaving the point mute or he will try to do this for real?
We are going to see this soon enough.

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8/20/2017  12:03 AM
Melo has 14 years of experience... he's not going to become anything at this stage of his career other than older.
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8/20/2017  12:54 AM
EnySpree wrote:Melo has 14 years of experience... he's not going to become anything at this stage of his career other than older.
PJAX had to know tat when he signed him to an almost max deal, gave him a NTC, and a trade kicker. Remember, he coached Michael Graham.
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8/20/2017  6:08 AM
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EnySpree wrote:Melo has 14 years of experience... he's not going to become anything at this stage of his career other than older.
PJAX had to know tat when he signed him to an almost max deal, gave him a NTC, and a trade kicker. Remember, he coached Michael Graham.

Lol! Killed me with the Michael Graham!

I think signing Melo to that deal was a respect thing... We know how that's turning out. Still if Melo is traded that's good. If he doesn't get traded he's opting out unless we make the playoffs. That opt out saves us 25 mil give or take.

Anyway Melo isn't going to change his game and the way he approaches it. He's still one of the best individual players in the league. Forever one dimensional.

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8/20/2017  10:02 AM
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nixluva wrote:Knicks aren't tanking anyway so Melo staying isn't really going to impact that Draft IMO. I have no problem with Melo staying if they can't get the trade they want. Why take a bad trade when you don't have to? I fully expect the Knicks will be trying to make the playoffs anyway so I say don't make a bad deal. Just keep Melo and have a good season. That may increase his trade value.
You have been trashing him all summer and talking about what he does behind the scenes etc. This surprises me a bit. In regards to your current post, I feel the same way but I believe you were pretty adamant that he needed to be gone because of all the bad things that he does( i.e. influencing teammates negatively, sabotaging coaches etc.). I didn't agree with your previous stance on Melo but I am surprised by your turnaround.

You've obviously missed when i've made this point because i've been saying it for a long time now. Wanting Melo gone and at the same time recognizing that it's in the team's long term best interest NOT to take a bad deal just to move him isn't contradictory.

I think this time Melo would be in a different mindframe than usual since he actually WANTS to move on and being a bad influence or disruptive would be counterproductive for his own personal goals. Melo is very slick and conscious of his Brand. He does things in a way that he can feign innocence, but in this circumstance he needs to ball out and raise his value so I don't expect him to be a problem.
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8/20/2017  11:39 AM
The Knicks need to move him for development of players nothing more nothing less. His presence only set the team timetable back.
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8/20/2017  11:47 AM
Vmart wrote:The Knicks need to move him for development of players nothing more nothing less. His presence only set the team timetable back.
I am not sure about this. Who is sitting behind Melo at the 3 that will be developed?
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8/20/2017  1:33 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Melo has 14 years of experience... he's not going to become anything at this stage of his career other than older.
PJAX had to know tat when he signed him to an almost max deal, gave him a NTC, and a trade kicker. Remember, he coached Michael Graham.

Lets not forget even though Dolan said he took a step back, I wonder if it was a handshake agreement when Phil took over that Phil had to bring melo back at all cost.
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8/20/2017  1:42 PM
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Vmart wrote:The Knicks need to move him for development of players nothing more nothing less. His presence only set the team timetable back.
I am not sure about this. Who is sitting behind Melo at the 3 that will be developed?

That's not the point. His presence doesn't allow KP to the main focal point. It doesn't allow Willie to to take shots and it will definitely not help THJ or Nitlikina those are 20 shots that need to be dispersed. I could develop Dotson there. As long as the offense is free flow with players looking for each other that is what the Knicks need to strive for and honestly we all know by now that Melo kills any of that.
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8/20/2017  1:46 PM
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KP4Life wrote:What do you guys think? Is he worth keeping? He will kill the tank but if its at the expensive of making the playoffs why not?

Melo won't kill the tank, he will help us tank

Not necessarily...The east is weaker than last yr....With Melo, we may finish at the end of the lottery which is no mans land especially in this draft. The top of this yrs draft will be stronger than last yrs...The top 4 picks have a chance to be special players in this league....Melo kills our chances of landing top 4...
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8/20/2017  1:48 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Melo has 14 years of experience... he's not going to become anything at this stage of his career other than older.
PJAX had to know tat when he signed him to an almost max deal, gave him a NTC, and a trade kicker. Remember, he coached Michael Graham.

Lets not forget even though Dolan said he took a step back, I wonder if it was a handshake agreement when Phil took over that Phil had to bring melo back at all cost.
No. That deal is on Phil. Dolan would have given Melo everything Phil did plus a full max.
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Uptown wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
KP4Life wrote:What do you guys think? Is he worth keeping? He will kill the tank but if its at the expensive of making the playoffs why not?

Melo won't kill the tank, he will help us tank

Not necessarily...The east is weaker than last yr....With Melo, we may finish at the end of the lottery which is no mans land especially in this draft. The top of this yrs draft will be stronger than last yrs...The top 4 picks have a chance to be special players in this league....Melo kills our chances of landing top 4...

I don't believe this team is headed towards the Top 5 in the Lottery regardless if Melo stays or goes. I just don't think they'll play poorly enough to be in that group.

Minus Melo the emerging young talent will have much more touches and opportunity to step up. They'll be able to replace Melo's production IMO. With any team that has significant young talent there is going to be some internal growth. The Knicks likely will see some of that growth next season in addition to adding THJ, Beasley and Sessions. The team should be BETTER than last season. Melo or no Melo.
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8/20/2017  5:57 PM
I think the knicks are playing chicken with melo. We are not going to take on contracts for melo, just because melo wants to be traded to Houston. We tell melo unless they come up with a fair offer be prepared to suit up as a New York knick. Melo gets scared knows his image takes a big hit by coming back/ the boos will be raining down on him every shot he takes and he knows it. Melo offers to void his contract/buyout or waive his NTC... I'm almost certain melo dose not want to come back and is willing to do anything to get outta dodge. He's just playing hard ball right now. It's still early, I expect melo in a different uniform by the beginning of training camp.
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8/20/2017  6:44 PM
fitzfarm wrote:I think the knicks are playing chicken with melo. We are not going to take on contracts for melo, just because melo wants to be traded to Houston. We tell melo unless they come up with a fair offer be prepared to suit up as a New York knick. Melo gets scared knows his image takes a big hit by coming back/ the boos will be raining down on him every shot he takes and he knows it. Melo offers to void his contract/buyout or waive his NTC... I'm almost certain melo dose not want to come back and is willing to do anything to get outta dodge. He's just playing hard ball right now. It's still early, I expect melo in a different uniform by the beginning of training camp.
Melo approached the Knicks about a buyout earlier in the summer before the houston rumors started up. The Knicks have been the ones against a buyout. Also, I don't think Melo can void his option year. I think that would be part of the buyout but I am not positive. I think the only thing that might happen is Melo adds Cleveland to his list of destinations that he would waive the ntc for. I think if Wade gets bought out and goes there that increases the chances of Melo in Cleveland.
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8/20/2017  8:29 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Melo has 14 years of experience... he's not going to become anything at this stage of his career other than older.
PJAX had to know tat when he signed him to an almost max deal, gave him a NTC, and a trade kicker. Remember, he coached Michael Graham.

I think he would of let him walk had we owned our draft picks, Pjax walked into a crap situation
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