Many more guys to root for. This is what the Rangers did about 10 years ago. We just need to stay away from trading 8 of them for 1 player . Rather create cap space--keep young players and picks.

Have to thank Phil J atleast a bit. While he certainly didnt do wonders in the trade or free agent markets --I think the path he set us on was the right one.

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Making the playoffs has way more benefits than then a lottery pick

Like what exactly. Go ahead lay them out

This team needs at least one more young All Star level talent to add to this core. I would of tanked this season and then went guns blazing the following year. Even if Frank is a high level talent it won't be enough to seriously compete in the future. We need a SF desperately. We don't have one decent one on the roster. Who can defend the 3 or even the 4 very well on this team

martin wrote:2 things need to happen to help the process out: Trade Melo and come out ahead; can't take a contract like Anderson back and hopefully get a future 1st and 1 solid player. I'd love for the Knicks to do well this next season but another top 1-10 lottery pick with the upside of striking gold would be fantastic for long term.

If they could end up with a young SF that can actually defend legitimate 3's like Harkless it would be really nice. Then you start to build some depth on the wing. The roster starts to look a lot more balanced. The only problem will be having the very slow flooted frontcourt. I'm not sure how you fix that unless Willy goes to the 2nd unit.

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Making the playoffs has way more benefits than then a lottery pick

Like what exactly. Go ahead lay them out

Dude we won 31 games last year in one of the most toxic environments in the league, not to mention the ever changing triangle.

Were coming back with primarily the same roster and a upgrade a sg, sf(to replace lance), pg and no triangle, and no meddling president. AT some point we will be able to sign or trade for the wing player/star to replace melo.

WHY would you want your young guys and coaching staff to go through another miserable, depressing, losing culture, bad vibes, low energy, toxic locker room season, only to be rewarded with a role player.

SupremeCommander wrote:I'm not sure we're better than Miami, Detroit, or Charlotte, who finished ahed of us in the standings but missed the playoffs

I'm not sure if we're better than Philly, who finished beneath us

We're probably better than Indy now... I don't know if we're better than Chicago, even without Butler

If we get the #5 seed that will be the happiest I'll ever be eating crow pie, but come one man. This team is a lotto team for sure

Boston, Cleveland, Washington, Toronto, Milwaukee, Miami, Charlotte. 7 teams definitely better than us. Detroit will be bad, but maybe good enough to get #8. I think we are 9th best team in the east right now, so i definitely think playoffs is an outside possibility, with the east being so bad. We can get the 8th seed with 37 wins probably.

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Making the playoffs has way more benefits than then a lottery pick

Like what exactly. Go ahead lay them out

Dude we won 31 games last year in one of the most toxic environments in the league, not to mention the ever changing triangle.

Were coming back with primarily the same roster and a upgrade a sg, sf(to replace lance), pg and no triangle, and no meddling president. AT some point we will be able to sign or trade for the wing player/star to replace melo.

WHY would you want your young guys and coaching staff to go through another miserable, depressing, losing culture, bad vibes, low energy, toxic locker room season, only to be rewarded with a role player.

You can have a healthy culture in a growing .400 team that's headed in the right direction or a terrible culture in a team that makes the playoffs. You're confusing two separate issues. The win total doesn't define the culture of the team. The mindset of the players, coaches, and front office does.

He wants whats best for his own immediate short term enjoyment. Disguising it as whats best for the Knicks.

BRIGGS wrote:My expectations are reasonable although Im starting to think we may have the goods for a 5-8 seed.

Many more guys to root for. This is what the Rangers did about 10 years ago. We just need to stay away from trading 8 of them for 1 player . Rather create cap space--keep young players and picks.

Have to thank Phil J atleast a bit. While he certainly didnt do wonders in the trade or free agent markets --I think the path he set us on was the right one.

So "25 win team at best" plus Ramon Sessions & Michael Beasley equals 5 to 8 seed?

Check.

If the team cannot compete, then you play the yoots and tank. If KP and Willy are incredible and the chemsitry is there, then was don't tank.
Tank should never be by desigh, it just happens then you give up.