Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:he better have game like the contract indicates

What would that be? He's paid much less than an average player.

His defensive energy and diversity out performs the average player.

Weird to me that when judging player most look at PPG or FG% first and totally ignore defense and defensive potential of a player. Clearly Baker did not shoot/score well but he played some stout D.

Dude the game is about the 3 ball, he does play respectable defense, and he hustles(like most d leaguers trying to make the cut)but the game is all about the offense, an area he's really bad in.

You say the weirdest things some times, focusing in on pointless points. Baker a rookie and we judge him as such.

Would you rather have a PG who manages team and thinks pass first while playing decent D or a PG who only puts up flashy points and doesn't play D?

what happen to "WE NEED TWO WAY PLAYERS" now were making exceptions

and why would you make my comments into a negative. I'm simple stating his ass needs to get better offensively, you know it, I know it, he knows it, and every knick fan on the plant it knows it.

He is getting top 5 "over all pick money" in fact, him and kp will be making damn near the exact same amount next season

KP is on a rookie contract. So his salary is ridiculously low compared to what he brings. We don't have an unlimited number of 1st round picks. We can't just sign anyone we want to that kind of contract. You know all this already.
We don't know whether Baker is a 1 way (strong defense) or 2 way player. The only thing badly missing from his offense last season was 3 point shooting. And if he had made about 6 more 3s for the entire season, his 3 point shooting percentage would look OK too. Clearly the Knicks realized you can't judge a player from a grand total of 200 shots, especially the first 200 of his career. Put it this way, that would be about 2 weeks of shots for Carmelo. I'm sure he's had 2 week stretches where he shot like 35% and where he shot like 55%.

how can you say that, and then agree with the contract.

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:he better have game like the contract indicates

What would that be? He's paid much less than an average player.

His defensive energy and diversity out performs the average player.

Weird to me that when judging player most look at PPG or FG% first and totally ignore defense and defensive potential of a player. Clearly Baker did not shoot/score well but he played some stout D.

Dude the game is about the 3 ball, he does play respectable defense, and he hustles(like most d leaguers trying to make the cut)but the game is all about the offense, an area he's really bad in.

You say the weirdest things some times, focusing in on pointless points. Baker a rookie and we judge him as such.

Would you rather have a PG who manages team and thinks pass first while playing decent D or a PG who only puts up flashy points and doesn't play D?

what happen to "WE NEED TWO WAY PLAYERS" now were making exceptions

and why would you make my comments into a negative. I'm simple stating his ass needs to get better offensively, you know it, I know it, he knows it, and every knick fan on the plant it knows it.

He is getting top 5 "over all pick money" in fact, him and kp will be making damn near the exact same amount next season

KP is on a rookie contract. So his salary is ridiculously low compared to what he brings. We don't have an unlimited number of 1st round picks. We can't just sign anyone we want to that kind of contract. You know all this already.
We don't know whether Baker is a 1 way (strong defense) or 2 way player. The only thing badly missing from his offense last season was 3 point shooting. And if he had made about 6 more 3s for the entire season, his 3 point shooting percentage would look OK too. Clearly the Knicks realized you can't judge a player from a grand total of 200 shots, especially the first 200 of his career. Put it this way, that would be about 2 weeks of shots for Carmelo. I'm sure he's had 2 week stretches where he shot like 35% and where he shot like 55%.

how can you say that, and then agree with the contract.

nixluva wrote:It's possible Baker and his Agent asked for a short contract as a bet on himself. If he outperforms he can try to get more money. If not he has at least some guaranteed money. Gotta remember the players have a say in the kind of contract as well.

I give all the credit to his agent, that's a beautiful contract for him

fitzfarm wrote:Ron is a premium defender in this league and he's one of the few on the team that can effectively defend the three ball the biggest part of the ***** chucking league .

Bonn1997 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Ron is a premium defender in this league and he's one of the few on the team that can effectively defend the three ball the biggest part of the ***** chucking league .

Why do people keep saying Ron is a good defender? Just because he hustles and plays next to dudes who play no defense doesn't mean he's a good defender. He give effort and plays hard (I'll give him that), I seemed to remember when he was put in position to guard anyone with a ounce of quickness he got exposed.

His opponent FG% was pretty low despite being on a poor defensive team. (I believe it was 42%.) Everything we have about Ron is based on a small number of minutes though.

Welpee wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Ron is a premium defender in this league and he's one of the few on the team that can effectively defend the three ball the biggest part of the ***** chucking league .

Why do people keep saying Ron is a good defender? Just because he hustles and plays next to dudes who play no defense doesn't mean he's a good defender. He give effort and plays hard (I'll give him that), I seemed to remember when he was put in position to guard anyone with a ounce of quickness he got exposed.

Agreed. Harden lit up Baker badly when they played. Same as Westbrook. Last yr offense was bad, hustled but same as any d leaguer. Over rated defensively. Contract given to him was ridiculous. Should have been paid about 1/2 , 3 yr contact and if anything a team option. I think Hornachek loves him and had something to do with the contract. Mills did this before Perry came on. Hopefully we won't see these bad contracts in the future.

In the past someone put up game tape of Frank. Wasn't a highlight tape so you were able to watch him as he plays the game. And I was impressed on how he played D off the ball. Playing angles and always looking to cover as much ground as possible. Just like Baker. The same characteristics that Baker displays which comes from players that really care about defense.

Hoping they can form some type of defensive tandem.

Welpee wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Ron is a premium defender in this league and he's one of the few on the team that can effectively defend the three ball the biggest part of the ***** chucking league .

Why do people keep saying Ron is a good defender? Just because he hustles and plays next to dudes who play no defense doesn't mean he's a good defender. He give effort and plays hard (I'll give him that), I seemed to remember when he was put in position to guard anyone with a ounce of quickness he got exposed.

His opponent FG% was pretty low despite being on a poor defensive team. (I believe it was 42%.) Everything we have about Ron is based on a small number of minutes though.

I think a lot of posters put way too much relevance on these advanced stats. I could care less if Baker put the clamps on Jose Calderon or Sonny Weems (if he's even in the league). When I watched him against other starting point guards he more often than not couldn't stay in front of them nor could he get by them on the other end. I think he is a Matthew Dellevadova type player, which is fine for an undrafted player. MAYBE Derek Fisher is his ultimate, EXTREME high ceiling one day. But some here are pumping him up to be more than he is, including the knicks.

Bobby Marks
ESPN

The Knicks Ron Baker has a one-year bird restriction based on the player option for 2018-19. Baker technically has a no trade clause and would have to approve of any trade.

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knicks1248 wrote:BAKER HAS A NTC..LMAO..who's this guys agent, I love him

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