Players such as

Anthony Davis

Giannes *easily the #1 pick of his draft class that we likely could have traded up to get by using assets used later in a trade for AB, 1 1st rounder, 2 2nd rounders, Tim Hardaway drafted at 24,, Giannes at 14 or 15?

John Wall *especially with his 3pt shot development last season*

Kawaii Leanard

Klay Thompson

maybe Jimmy Butler along with PG13

While Irving is much better than Rose OFFENSIVELY and even DEFENSIVELY if he wants to be *though you must give credit to Lebron James as well*
Is Irving a LEADER?
Irving is BALL DOMINANT and will always look to create his own shot, often holding it too much/too long at times over being the basketball and playing GS basketball, such as TEAM BASKETBALL with ball and player movement, something I believe we are trying to achieve....

Now with that said, there is STILL NO GUARANTEE that KP would surely want to stay 2years down the road and if he can develop in to a a franchise type talent such as Anthony Davis/Giannes that showed they were clearly above KP last year when they played each other
One can argue either way how acquiring Irving could help or hurt our chances in surrounding KP stay or have a LEGIT contending team

However, their is no denying that he is one of the leagues TOP SCORERS and is still very young

What we must remember is that he has a player option for his final year and WILL OPT OUT regardless, so essential it is a 2year window with Porzinges before he can ultimately sign a qualifying offer and POSSIBLY leave as well

With the unknowns of Frank along with the continued development of KP, it is hard to analyze where we would need to be to becoming contenders
It is also unknown if they would be good enough to attract future talents as well

Frank
Tim Hardaway *if you watched Tim Hardaway last year on the Hawks, he has improved much in all areas, including DEFENSE on PG's, SG's, but has lost weight but gaining strength/speed/quickness/ability to penetrate/finish to defend many SF's especially SF/PF's

Klay Thompson or Kawaii or Butler

KP

Anthony Davis *though New Orleans may have to consider trading him and resigning Cousins on a 5year deal while Boston gives up a possible TON of 1st rounders that would be determined better near the next trading deadline* while owning draft picks from Lakers, Brooklyn, Philly or Kings, Memphis, Clippers, along with ALL OF BOSTONS 1st rounders and many 2nd rounders, and contracts that are desirable like Crowder and other young assets.........

IF WE CANNOT GET DAVIS, Giannes could become a UFA many years later but would be hard for him NOT TO sign a super max deal which he will be eligible for at some point...

Giannes WILL BE THE BEST 2 way player at some point and if he ever develops a decent 3point shot, he would be VERY TOUGH, as he already has the ability to defend/play all 5 positions, both on and off the ball

Irving
Tim Hardaway JR

Klay Thompson *not sure if we can acquire Klay Thompson IF THERE IS NO CHANCE we could give him a designated super max contract in the future*

Porzinges

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Irving or Frank

Tim Hardaway JR

Crowder *both players can become solid players that could cost much less and attainable with Irving/KP getting the designated super max deals or players of such calibers including the return of Wilson Chandler*
Aminu

KP *if KP signs a 5year deal BUT IS NOT A SUPER MAX DEAL on player designated contract, it could allow us to possibly lure some talent over in the future IF we can build a nice young core*
Now KP is eligible for an extension in 2019 when Klay Thompson is a UFA with Kawaii/Butler and possibly others, would KP take MUCH LESS in order to COURT a possible super team while holding his BIRD RIGHTS?
As he is still very young that CP3 just did in Houston

Lets not forget that injuries on those teams that Boston owns future 1st rounders to can turn in to something HUGE

Brooklyn
Lakers
Philly or Kings
Memphis
Clippers

ALONG WITH ALL OF BOSTONS OWN 1st rounders and many 2nd rounders, along with their current roster like Crowder, Tatum, Brown,
Smart is unlikely to be part of Boston's future as he would hold a decent amount of cap space with a QUALIFYING OFFER UNLESS Boston's decides to trade Isiah Thomas II,

So do we "TRUST THE PROCESS" or STARPHUCK like we have in the past to keep MSG and its fan base to pony up for Irving and continue to sell out seats???
There is NO GUARANTEE that either way is better, however, IF WE are able to trade KP FOR A RANSOM, along with unloading future deals for assets with Kyle O Quin, Courtney Lee, Lance Thomas, even Willy Herm
During those years, we will suck but can stockload a bunch of draft picks and have rookie scaled developments while preserving cap space to form a future Super Team

IF we land so many future draft picks while still owning all of our future 1st rounders, I DO NOT SEE HOW WE CAN POSSIBLY MISS, and we can also still BUY some 2nd rounders with the 3.5m we are able to use each season as we do not own many of our own 2nd rounders in the near future....

BUT with the DESIGNATED SUPER CONTRACTS does it HURT the chances of actually being able to sign such talents?
My point is what does cap space mean in the future compared to back then?

20-35% of the ENTIRE CAP, with only 2 eligible players in a team that you can sign, not sure if you can TRADE FOR another though as the balloon payment may not start it is for the future for John Wall/Harden
How would this effect GS in the future while Draymond Green ins ELIGIBLE but since only 2 players from each team can get it, it is already Curry, and the next one is Durant when they have the full bird rights to him
Klay Thompson could land to a future team in search of a SUPER MAX DEAL who was the odd man out this past season

One thing is fore sure though, Dolan is WILLING TO PAY UP TO KEEP a Dynasty if we are able to build one after all these years of failing but still willing to spend during the Isiah Years
Paying the repeated luxury tax NEEDED to be the next GS

*we likely still have to HIT GOLD with some 2nd rounders to grab the next Draymond Green/Jovic type of talent, or Marc Gasol/Ginobili/Isiah Thomas, or a later 1st rounder type of talent in Kawaii/Thompson, Devin Booker, and develop them

some other 2nd rounders that are solid players include
Malcom Brogdon/Norman Powell, Willy Herm, Allen Crabbe

Then there are still GEMS that we can sign say Christian Wood to be the next Whiteside or DJ, with a 3pt shot, or even solid pick ups like Jeremy Lin/Seth Curry
Along with other undrafted talents like WHiteside Patrick Beverely, Tyler Johnson Delly, Tmacin his Orlando years, Stephen Jackson

Maybe Sean Kilpatrick who I would like to acquire with the addition of Russell to Brooklyn to keep our eyes on along with Edy Tavaras to be the next Rudy Gobert

As teams like TWOLVES have just became

and the futures of Philly/Kings/Lakers has changed much this summer and last season for PHILLY

with the 3.5m for a middle 2nd round draft pick that GS just paid, it is a trend that I see that will continue to raise the value of draft picks in this DESIGNATED SUPER CONTRACTS ERA that we have just started to enter
5years or so later what will the luxuary tax be at along with TEAM SALARIES

meloshouldgo wrote:I don't think Irving is that good either, his defense is sad and he doesn't make anything better. Not sure I followed your entire post

yes, there is a lot of random thoughts in there that can go either way

Irving isn't on the same caliber as a FRANCHISE game changer but he is one of the TOP 5 OFFENSIVE players and is NOT a HORRIBLE DEFENDER either, however, is he a LEGIT LEADER?

I think Irving is better than Cousins for whatever that is worth

While Durant is PROBABLY ONE OF THE ENTIRE NBA'S HISTORY TOP SCORERS, he didn't start to become a VERY GOOD DEFENSIVE PLAYER till the last year in OKC play offs and in his first year on the Warriors

There was a good article about how Irving leaving wasnt disloyal, but showed that Kyrie had learned something from LeBron. I agree. Is that all he learned? I doubt it. Im sure someone would share the fact that Rose didn't like giving up the rock, if he doesn't know already. I doubt Irving wants to go the same route Rose did. Didn't make him too popular in NY.

Haven't heard any movement on the trade front. Hopefully it isn't just Houston. Melo wants out that bad, he should make his exit easier on the team. Not for any moral reason, just to grease the wheels on a trade that gets him out of town.

RonRon wrote:Is Irving a LEADER?
Irving is BALL DOMINANT and will always look to create his own shot, often holding it too much/too long at times over being the basketball and playing GS basketball, such as TEAM BASKETBALL with ball and player movement, something I believe we are trying to achieve....

Filter it down to this, and it's something I don't see anyone else here discussing.

What is Kyrie Irving worth to the other 28 other teams if he ends up on the Knicks roster?

What says that the Knicks can't hold Irving for a very short while then proceed to retrade him? Would the potential trade return from Irving be greater than the trade assets needed to get him onto the roster?

A Melo/Plus for Irving trade would be idiotic from the Cavs standpoint, then again, LeBron James is running that team and it's personnel and he's basically a blithering idiot. He's shown that the first time he was in Cleveland, he's shown in it Miami, and now again with the Cavs. Someone stupid enough to force his team to dump a truck of money at Tristan Thompson might just be stupid enough to sell low on Irving. Likely? No. Impossible? Hard to say.

Take the best value you can, and if it's not worth it to keep him, then RETRADE HIM. I do not understand this idea that Irving must stay on this roster forever. He's got like 3 years left on his deal. He does not have a NTC. He's young. He's an Olympian and an All Star with heavy playoff experience and a championship under his belt. He's protected on high from the endorsement Prince Of Darkness ( Nike)

Morey in Houston has the assets to get Paul EXACTLY for this reason. Take two nickels and get a quarter for it. Take three quarters and get a dollar. Keep doing it. Build that asset base. And wait and when the time is right, you strike.

If there is a viable trade for Irving while his value is low, take it. Then wait for it to spike a bit then RETRADE HIM.

There are chicks you just bang, and chicks you'd think about marrying. Who says Irving needs an engagement ring here?