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10/25/2017  4:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/25/2017  4:32 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
izybx wrote:Yeah that's not what happened, but whatever.

That's correct. There's more.

"How do you lump a whole group of people together by their skin color. Can you tell me of some other ways that is ok to judge people by the color of their skin? You should be ashamed of yourself!"

"We all know that large percentages of certain ethnic groups buy into the value of being perceived as a victim."

And...

"You guys are making sweeping generalizations about entire ethnic groups and vast sections of the country" 

"We all know that large percentages of certain ethnic groups buy into the value of being perceived as a victim."

And...

"I'm tired of hearing all how bad the country is, and how bad the people are."

"We all know that large percentages of certain ethnic groups buy into the value of being perceived as a victim."

Nice talking to you guys, I disagree but respect your opinion. Nix, you have been my favorite poster for years, always consider you a gentleman

"You need to take a look in the mirror to address you own racist ideas. Not interested in talking with a bigot!"

You must be very proud of yourself. Youre making a difference! Some people might have something better to do then cut and pasting a strangers comments, but you have your priorities straight lmao

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10/25/2017  4:54 PM
izybx wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
izybx wrote:Yeah that's not what happened, but whatever.

That's correct. There's more.

"How do you lump a whole group of people together by their skin color. Can you tell me of some other ways that is ok to judge people by the color of their skin? You should be ashamed of yourself!"

"We all know that large percentages of certain ethnic groups buy into the value of being perceived as a victim."

And...

"You guys are making sweeping generalizations about entire ethnic groups and vast sections of the country" 

"We all know that large percentages of certain ethnic groups buy into the value of being perceived as a victim."

And...

"I'm tired of hearing all how bad the country is, and how bad the people are."

"We all know that large percentages of certain ethnic groups buy into the value of being perceived as a victim."

Nice talking to you guys, I disagree but respect your opinion. Nix, you have been my favorite poster for years, always consider you a gentleman

"You need to take a look in the mirror to address you own racist ideas. Not interested in talking with a bigot!"

You must be very proud of yourself. Youre making a difference! Some people might have something better to do then cut and pasting a strangers comments, but you have your priorities straight lmao

That's fine.

We're still left with you completely contradicting yourself and doing exactly what you told others they should be ashamed of.

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10/25/2017  5:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/25/2017  5:14 PM
And instead of engaging in any kind of conversation you wasted your time trying to show I contradicted myself. Your contribution is literally pointless and you add nothing to the conversation
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10/25/2017  6:12 PM
HUGE development in the Trump Campaign Russia controversy.

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10/25/2017  6:18 PM
izybx wrote:And instead of engaging in any kind of conversation you wasted your time trying to show I contradicted myself. Your contribution is literally pointless and you add nothing to the conversation

I don't doubt that's your perspective, and that's actually the whole point.

I found a conversation which you were seemingly denying prejudice and discrimination exists in any significant effective way in this country, lobbing insults about Facebook and the quality of your life compared to their's, not to mention calling other people racist and bigots. You asked for an example of institutionalized racism. I responded to you (for the first time) substantively. That response still exists near the bottom of page 73.

When you wrote, "speak for yourself and your own experiences" I responded again with no rancor to try to make a simple point - asking if you think other people would speak for themselves and have their own experiences different than yours in matters of prejudice and discrimination.

I think the point and relevance there is clear and obvious. But since I asked that simple question, you've been looking for a fight. I was in fact honestly surprised when you eventually responded making a sweeping generalization, lumping and judging large percentages of entire ethnic groups in a negative way, dismissing the possibility they could have a different experience than yours, quite literally the exact opposite of everything you thought you were arguing against prior to that.

So what's this conversation is about - the insidiously subtle ways prejudice takes shape under the notice and noses of people who wouldn't think of themselves as prejudice in a million years.

You denied the experiences of, and pejoratively characterized "large percentages of certain ethnic groups."

THAT's prejudice, by literal definition. But you clearly don't think it is. I've seen this movie before. You think it's true, and because you think it's true, you don't think it qualifies as prejudice or racist.

So maybe, just maybe, since you either didn't notice it or didn't think it qualified when you wrote it, maybe if you're forced to confront the fact you clearly did what you admonished other people for and said they should be ashamed of, maybe you'll gain some new insight into the topic.

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10/25/2017  6:42 PM
izybx wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
izybx wrote:
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izybx wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
izybx wrote:Wait you told me to get out of my bubble, i guess the Bronx is in the bubble now? And I've lived in Georgia, Kentucky, Ohio, and Iowa. So there goes that. Whatever nix, you don't speak for all of us, speak for yourself and your own experiences. Who made you the spokesman for minorities? What gives you the right to act like you represent some sort of monolithic block?

Are you genuinely arguing the majority of minorities in the United States would testify that they don't believe discrimination prejudice exists in this country in any substantial way?

I'm talking about what I think, and giving my opinion based on my life experiences. I reject what you automatons are trying to do by put brown people in a box (labeled fragile). Rejecting the label of victim pushed on us is the first step to fulfilling the American dream, and of becoming successful.

Aren't you a police officer? What would you know about success, to lecture people about how to attain it?

Why are you going to come in here and be nasty for? We're all on the computer little man, don't use it as an excuse to be rude.

Honestly, I wasn't trying to be rude. I geniunely wanted to know what do you know about success, since success in this country is generally defined by an individual's ability to procure material wealth, ideally through novel means.

That ain't a police officer, which barely required a high school diploma. I grew up with people that became police officer's and none of them became police officers because they had an abundance of options. Hell, two of them didn't graduate from high school until they were 20 and 21, respectively. And at least one I remained in contact with, lived with their parents for the longest while because of how ****ty his salary was. So I'm not sure what makes you feel you have the calculus to determine how to be successful.

Maybe a better question would be: How do you personally define success? And we can begin dissecting, why I think you are wrong in suggesting that "working hard" can produce the popular definition of success.

And FYI, I'm 6"3' and 230lbs (albeit 15% body fat last time I checked). Just thought I'd add clarity to that "little guy" comment.

I make 200k a year to drive around at night and hunt for guns. I can retire in a couple years with an over 100k pension for the rest of my life. So you story about your boyfriend who lived in the basement is amusing to me.

As for the rest of your questions, I'm not engaging with you, your just a nebbish loser who posts porn on basketball forums. You have a horrible absrasive personality, and strike me as an angry recluse.

Angry? Sure. Recluse? If a general dislike for humanity constitutes as much....I'll cede you the point. But nebbish? I'll draw the line there, sir. After all, I'm not the one running from this fight. You seemed very adament about your points and in admonishing those who disagreed with them. Now is your opportunity to defend them.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go talk **** about you to "my boyfriend", lmao.

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10/25/2017  6:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/25/2017  6:56 PM
nixluva wrote:HUGE development in the Trump Campaign Russia controversy.

Why would you care, even if this is true? Do you honestly believe that was enough to swing the election for the average voter?

Besides, the bigger Russia scandal might very well include the Clintons if it is true that they received kickbacks to allow Russian interests to own/operate 20% of our country's uranium-supply.

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10/25/2017  8:55 PM
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nixluva wrote:HUGE development in the Trump Campaign Russia controversy.

Why would you care, even if this is true? Do you honestly believe that was enough to swing the election for the average voter?

Besides, the bigger Russia scandal might very well include the Clintons if it is true that they received kickbacks to allow Russian interests to own/operate 20% of our country's uranium-supply.

Yes I actually do believe it was a significant factor in the Election along with other things like Voter Suppression by purging valid voters, closing voting locations and voter id laws targeting minorities! All of these things are documented.

All Of these things played a part. Trump only won by about 80k votes over 3 states! That’s not a very big margin so Russia putting so much effort into helping Trump could most definitely have played a part.

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10/25/2017  10:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/25/2017  10:09 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
izybx wrote:And instead of engaging in any kind of conversation you wasted your time trying to show I contradicted myself. Your contribution is literally pointless and you add nothing to the conversation

I don't doubt that's your perspective, and that's actually the whole point.

I found a conversation which you were seemingly denying prejudice and discrimination exists in any significant effective way in this country, lobbing insults about Facebook and the quality of your life compared to their's, not to mention calling other people racist and bigots. You asked for an example of institutionalized racism. I responded to you (for the first time) substantively. That response still exists near the bottom of page 73.

When you wrote, "speak for yourself and your own experiences" I responded again with no rancor to try to make a simple point - asking if you think other people would speak for themselves and have their own experiences different than yours in matters of prejudice and discrimination.

I think the point and relevance there is clear and obvious. But since I asked that simple question, you've been looking for a fight. I was in fact honestly surprised when you eventually responded making a sweeping generalization, lumping and judging large percentages of entire ethnic groups in a negative way, dismissing the possibility they could have a different experience than yours, quite literally the exact opposite of everything you thought you were arguing against prior to that.

So what's this conversation is about - the insidiously subtle ways prejudice takes shape under the notice and noses of people who wouldn't think of themselves as prejudice in a million years.

You denied the experiences of, and pejoratively characterized "large percentages of certain ethnic groups."

THAT's prejudice, by literal definition. But you clearly don't think it is. I've seen this movie before. You think it's true, and because you think it's true, you don't think it qualifies as prejudice or racist.

So maybe, just maybe, since you either didn't notice it or didn't think it qualified when you wrote it, maybe if you're forced to confront the fact you clearly did what you admonished other people for and said they should be ashamed of, maybe you'll gain some new insight into the topic.

You're just repeating yourself. I don't need a rundown of the conversation as if I wasn't involved, I assume that you think someone else is reading and needs a synopsis? No one is, so don't think you have an audience. You literally have nothing to say, despite rambling on for several paragraphs to insinuate that I contradicted myself, as if that proves...something...I think...

And just so you know, your format for posting , where you demand someone answers your question, I'm assuming to lock someone into a line of debate that you engage in several times a day,is annoying.

As far as your question about voter id laws,(this an effort to move this along) I will agree with you that it is in example of institutional racism if you agree that an identification requirement for any activity is also institutional racism.

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10/25/2017  10:31 PM
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Knickoftime wrote:
izybx wrote:And instead of engaging in any kind of conversation you wasted your time trying to show I contradicted myself. Your contribution is literally pointless and you add nothing to the conversation

I don't doubt that's your perspective, and that's actually the whole point.

I found a conversation which you were seemingly denying prejudice and discrimination exists in any significant effective way in this country, lobbing insults about Facebook and the quality of your life compared to their's, not to mention calling other people racist and bigots. You asked for an example of institutionalized racism. I responded to you (for the first time) substantively. That response still exists near the bottom of page 73.

When you wrote, "speak for yourself and your own experiences" I responded again with no rancor to try to make a simple point - asking if you think other people would speak for themselves and have their own experiences different than yours in matters of prejudice and discrimination.

I think the point and relevance there is clear and obvious. But since I asked that simple question, you've been looking for a fight. I was in fact honestly surprised when you eventually responded making a sweeping generalization, lumping and judging large percentages of entire ethnic groups in a negative way, dismissing the possibility they could have a different experience than yours, quite literally the exact opposite of everything you thought you were arguing against prior to that.

So what's this conversation is about - the insidiously subtle ways prejudice takes shape under the notice and noses of people who wouldn't think of themselves as prejudice in a million years.

You denied the experiences of, and pejoratively characterized "large percentages of certain ethnic groups."

THAT's prejudice, by literal definition. But you clearly don't think it is. I've seen this movie before. You think it's true, and because you think it's true, you don't think it qualifies as prejudice or racist.

So maybe, just maybe, since you either didn't notice it or didn't think it qualified when you wrote it, maybe if you're forced to confront the fact you clearly did what you admonished other people for and said they should be ashamed of, maybe you'll gain some new insight into the topic.

You're just repeating yourself. I don't need a rundown of the conversation as if I wasn't involved, I assume that you think someone else is reading and needs a synopsis? No one is, so don't think you have an audience. You literally have nothing to say, despite rambling on for several paragraphs to insinuate that I contradicted myself, as if that proves...something...I think...

It proves the prejudice and discrimination you clearly don't understand exists in fact, does. I think you do need a summary, because you clearly didn't realize denigrating entire ethnic groups is the actual definition of prejudiced and discriminating and/or that's what you did and that's what you deflected onto Nix.

You're bigoted, again, by definition.

Who, btw, are the specific ethnic groups who buy into the value of being perceived as victims in large percentages?

You brave enough to name them without hedging?

As far as your question about voter id laws,(this an effort to move this along) I will agree with you that it is in example of institutional racism if you agree that an identification requirement for any activity is also institutional racism

I might agree if I understood what that last part means. Can't say right now.

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10/25/2017  10:32 PM
Excellent explanation of how the Confederacy and White Supremacy was repackaged and taught to future generations by Southerners. This is a big reason why we still have problems with race.

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10/25/2017  10:52 PM
nixluva wrote:Excellent explanation of how the Confederacy and White Supremacy was repackaged and taught to future generations by Southerners. This is a big reason why we still have problems with race.

I wonder nix, it seems in the past 10-20 years race relations have took a turn for the worst. When I was growing up we were taught to not see race, to act like it doesn't matter. Now it seems that in several facets of society race is emphasized. Is it possible for us as a country to move forward together? Is all this just going to get worse?

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10/25/2017  10:57 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
izybx wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
izybx wrote:And instead of engaging in any kind of conversation you wasted your time trying to show I contradicted myself. Your contribution is literally pointless and you add nothing to the conversation

I don't doubt that's your perspective, and that's actually the whole point.

I found a conversation which you were seemingly denying prejudice and discrimination exists in any significant effective way in this country, lobbing insults about Facebook and the quality of your life compared to their's, not to mention calling other people racist and bigots. You asked for an example of institutionalized racism. I responded to you (for the first time) substantively. That response still exists near the bottom of page 73.

When you wrote, "speak for yourself and your own experiences" I responded again with no rancor to try to make a simple point - asking if you think other people would speak for themselves and have their own experiences different than yours in matters of prejudice and discrimination.

I think the point and relevance there is clear and obvious. But since I asked that simple question, you've been looking for a fight. I was in fact honestly surprised when you eventually responded making a sweeping generalization, lumping and judging large percentages of entire ethnic groups in a negative way, dismissing the possibility they could have a different experience than yours, quite literally the exact opposite of everything you thought you were arguing against prior to that.

So what's this conversation is about - the insidiously subtle ways prejudice takes shape under the notice and noses of people who wouldn't think of themselves as prejudice in a million years.

You denied the experiences of, and pejoratively characterized "large percentages of certain ethnic groups."

THAT's prejudice, by literal definition. But you clearly don't think it is. I've seen this movie before. You think it's true, and because you think it's true, you don't think it qualifies as prejudice or racist.

So maybe, just maybe, since you either didn't notice it or didn't think it qualified when you wrote it, maybe if you're forced to confront the fact you clearly did what you admonished other people for and said they should be ashamed of, maybe you'll gain some new insight into the topic.

You're just repeating yourself. I don't need a rundown of the conversation as if I wasn't involved, I assume that you think someone else is reading and needs a synopsis? No one is, so don't think you have an audience. You literally have nothing to say, despite rambling on for several paragraphs to insinuate that I contradicted myself, as if that proves...something...I think...

It proves the prejudice and discrimination you clearly don't understand exists in fact, does. I think you do need a summary, because you clearly didn't realize denigrating entire ethnic groups is the actual definition of prejudiced and discriminating and/or that's what you did and that's what you deflected onto Nix.

You're bigoted, again, by definition.

Who, btw, are the specific ethnic groups who buy into the value of being perceived as victims in large percentages?

You brave enough to name them without hedging?

As far as your question about voter id laws,(this an effort to move this along) I will agree with you that it is in example of institutional racism if you agree that an identification requirement for any activity is also institutional racism

I might agree if I understood what that last part means. Can't say right now.

You are so obnoxious, you huff and puff for someone answer a question, then I concede your point just to move the conversation along, now you act all offended about it. I mean, just annoying! You literally have nothing of substance to say

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10/25/2017  11:50 PM
izybx wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
izybx wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
izybx wrote:And instead of engaging in any kind of conversation you wasted your time trying to show I contradicted myself. Your contribution is literally pointless and you add nothing to the conversation

I don't doubt that's your perspective, and that's actually the whole point.

I found a conversation which you were seemingly denying prejudice and discrimination exists in any significant effective way in this country, lobbing insults about Facebook and the quality of your life compared to their's, not to mention calling other people racist and bigots. You asked for an example of institutionalized racism. I responded to you (for the first time) substantively. That response still exists near the bottom of page 73.

When you wrote, "speak for yourself and your own experiences" I responded again with no rancor to try to make a simple point - asking if you think other people would speak for themselves and have their own experiences different than yours in matters of prejudice and discrimination.

I think the point and relevance there is clear and obvious. But since I asked that simple question, you've been looking for a fight. I was in fact honestly surprised when you eventually responded making a sweeping generalization, lumping and judging large percentages of entire ethnic groups in a negative way, dismissing the possibility they could have a different experience than yours, quite literally the exact opposite of everything you thought you were arguing against prior to that.

So what's this conversation is about - the insidiously subtle ways prejudice takes shape under the notice and noses of people who wouldn't think of themselves as prejudice in a million years.

You denied the experiences of, and pejoratively characterized "large percentages of certain ethnic groups."

THAT's prejudice, by literal definition. But you clearly don't think it is. I've seen this movie before. You think it's true, and because you think it's true, you don't think it qualifies as prejudice or racist.

So maybe, just maybe, since you either didn't notice it or didn't think it qualified when you wrote it, maybe if you're forced to confront the fact you clearly did what you admonished other people for and said they should be ashamed of, maybe you'll gain some new insight into the topic.

You're just repeating yourself. I don't need a rundown of the conversation as if I wasn't involved, I assume that you think someone else is reading and needs a synopsis? No one is, so don't think you have an audience. You literally have nothing to say, despite rambling on for several paragraphs to insinuate that I contradicted myself, as if that proves...something...I think...

It proves the prejudice and discrimination you clearly don't understand exists in fact, does. I think you do need a summary, because you clearly didn't realize denigrating entire ethnic groups is the actual definition of prejudiced and discriminating and/or that's what you did and that's what you deflected onto Nix.

You're bigoted, again, by definition.

Who, btw, are the specific ethnic groups who buy into the value of being perceived as victims in large percentages?

You brave enough to name them without hedging?

As far as your question about voter id laws,(this an effort to move this along) I will agree with you that it is in example of institutional racism if you agree that an identification requirement for any activity is also institutional racism

I might agree if I understood what that last part means. Can't say right now.

You are so obnoxious, you huff and puff for someone answer a question, then I concede your point just to move the conversation along, now you act all offended about it. I mean, just annoying! You literally have nothing of substance to say

That's fine.

Last thing of substance you had to say was bigoted and utterly hypocritical.

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10/26/2017  12:02 AM
Ok good job bro
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10/26/2017  12:44 AM
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nixluva wrote:Excellent explanation of how the Confederacy and White Supremacy was repackaged and taught to future generations by Southerners. This is a big reason why we still have problems with race.

I wonder nix, it seems in the past 10-20 years race relations have took a turn for the worst. When I was growing up we were taught to not see race, to act like it doesn't matter. Now it seems that in several facets of society race is emphasized. Is it possible for us as a country to move forward together? Is all this just going to get worse?

The truth is that when there’s economic pressure the tendency for some is to look for someone to blame! For example the whole Immigration issue is an example of targeting a group of people who easy to make into THE OTHER!

Nativist attitudes have never gone away. White Supremacy has never gone away. It just simmered under the lid waiting for the right time. Trump, Bannon, Gorka, Miller etc they use undercurrents of bigotry as a rallying point.

I’ve been saying this all this thread but White Supremacy is a problem that the larger white community has to get more serious about in order to solve it. Minorities have not historically sought to stoke racial animosity. Mostly minorities are responding to the Racism and seeking justice and equality.

AA’s didn’t focus on violent retribution after the Civil War. All they asked for was to be treated as any other American and they immediately built schools, churches, businesses and ran for public office. What did they get for just living as other Americans? KKK Violent Terrorism and a reversal of all the gains they were making during Reconstruction!

AA’s and other minorities can’t solve the race problems or systemic racism until a majority of White Americans determine they will no longer tolerate inequality and the continued existence of lie that “The Lost Cause” is just Southern Heritage! The Civil War never ended for many White people. That’s why we can’t get past the Racial issues. They’ve been teaching these Confederate Nobility lies for so long that generations fully believe in it.

Living in the North most aren’t aware of things like this:

(CNN)It's been nearly 152 years since the Confederate Army surrendered to Union forces, ending the American Civil War.

Some Southern states still commemorate those who died fighting for secession from the United States over slavery and states' rights. State government offices are closed Monday in Mississippi and Alabama for Confederate Memorial Day.

In Georgia the day has been called "State Holiday" since 2015, when Confederate Memorial Day and Robert E. Lee's birthday were struck from the state calendar. The state holiday list says the official holiday is April 26 but will be observed this year on Monday, April 24.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/24/us/confederate-memorial-day-2017/index.html
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10/26/2017  1:11 AM
nixluva wrote:
izybx wrote:
nixluva wrote:Excellent explanation of how the Confederacy and White Supremacy was repackaged and taught to future generations by Southerners. This is a big reason why we still have problems with race.

I wonder nix, it seems in the past 10-20 years race relations have took a turn for the worst. When I was growing up we were taught to not see race, to act like it doesn't matter. Now it seems that in several facets of society race is emphasized. Is it possible for us as a country to move forward together? Is all this just going to get worse?

The truth is that when there’s economic pressure the tendency for some is to look for someone to blame! For example the whole Immigration issue is an example of targeting a group of people who easy to make into THE OTHER!

Nativist attitudes have never gone away. White Supremacy has never gone away. It just simmered under the lid waiting for the right time. Trump, Bannon, Gorka, Miller etc they use undercurrents of bigotry as a rallying point.

I’ve been saying this all this thread but White Supremacy is a problem that the larger white community has to get more serious about in order to solve it. Minorities have not historically sought to stoke racial animosity. Mostly minorities are responding to the Racism and seeking justice and equality.

AA’s didn’t focus on violent retribution after the Civil War. All they asked for was to be treated as any other American and they immediately built schools, churches, businesses and ran for public office. What did they get for just living as other Americans? KKK Violent Terrorism and a reversal of all the gains they were making during Reconstruction!

AA’s and other minorities can’t solve the race problems or systemic racism until a majority of White Americans determine they will no longer tolerate inequality and the continued existence of lie that “The Lost Cause” is just Southern Heritage! The Civil War never ended for many White people. That’s why we can’t get past the Racial issues. They’ve been teaching these Confederate Nobility lies for so long that generations fully believe in it.

Living in the North most aren’t aware of things like this:

(CNN)It's been nearly 152 years since the Confederate Army surrendered to Union forces, ending the American Civil War.

Some Southern states still commemorate those who died fighting for secession from the United States over slavery and states' rights. State government offices are closed Monday in Mississippi and Alabama for Confederate Memorial Day.

In Georgia the day has been called "State Holiday" since 2015, when Confederate Memorial Day and Robert E. Lee's birthday were struck from the state calendar. The state holiday list says the official holiday is April 26 but will be observed this year on Monday, April 24.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/24/us/confederate-memorial-day-2017/index.html

I certainly have no affinity toward anything to do with the confederacy. I hope those states and communities get rid of all that. But is that the problem? As a New Yorker, I haven't been exposed to those sort of things, nor has people in my community. But issues of race are as profound up here as it is down south. What do you think drives the racial animosity in other regions?

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10/26/2017  2:42 AM
izybx wrote:
nixluva wrote:
izybx wrote:
nixluva wrote:Excellent explanation of how the Confederacy and White Supremacy was repackaged and taught to future generations by Southerners. This is a big reason why we still have problems with race.

I wonder nix, it seems in the past 10-20 years race relations have took a turn for the worst. When I was growing up we were taught to not see race, to act like it doesn't matter. Now it seems that in several facets of society race is emphasized. Is it possible for us as a country to move forward together? Is all this just going to get worse?

The truth is that when there’s economic pressure the tendency for some is to look for someone to blame! For example the whole Immigration issue is an example of targeting a group of people who easy to make into THE OTHER!

Nativist attitudes have never gone away. White Supremacy has never gone away. It just simmered under the lid waiting for the right time. Trump, Bannon, Gorka, Miller etc they use undercurrents of bigotry as a rallying point.

I’ve been saying this all this thread but White Supremacy is a problem that the larger white community has to get more serious about in order to solve it. Minorities have not historically sought to stoke racial animosity. Mostly minorities are responding to the Racism and seeking justice and equality.

AA’s didn’t focus on violent retribution after the Civil War. All they asked for was to be treated as any other American and they immediately built schools, churches, businesses and ran for public office. What did they get for just living as other Americans? KKK Violent Terrorism and a reversal of all the gains they were making during Reconstruction!

AA’s and other minorities can’t solve the race problems or systemic racism until a majority of White Americans determine they will no longer tolerate inequality and the continued existence of lie that “The Lost Cause” is just Southern Heritage! The Civil War never ended for many White people. That’s why we can’t get past the Racial issues. They’ve been teaching these Confederate Nobility lies for so long that generations fully believe in it.

Living in the North most aren’t aware of things like this:

(CNN)It's been nearly 152 years since the Confederate Army surrendered to Union forces, ending the American Civil War.

Some Southern states still commemorate those who died fighting for secession from the United States over slavery and states' rights. State government offices are closed Monday in Mississippi and Alabama for Confederate Memorial Day.

In Georgia the day has been called "State Holiday" since 2015, when Confederate Memorial Day and Robert E. Lee's birthday were struck from the state calendar. The state holiday list says the official holiday is April 26 but will be observed this year on Monday, April 24.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/24/us/confederate-memorial-day-2017/index.html

I certainly have no affinity toward anything to do with the confederacy. I hope those states and communities get rid of all that. But is that the problem? As a New Yorker, I haven't been exposed to those sort of things, nor has people in my community. But issues of race are as profound up here as it is down south. What do you think drives the racial animosity in other regions?


The White People in the South aren’t going to easily exorcise the White Supremacist thinking among their neighbors. Like I said it’s been deeply ingrained into generations of people. It’s gonna take a massive educational effort and some real open honesty that they’ve never been willing to do! You see how tough it got just trying to remove some statues of Confederates. The State Flags still have Confederate symbols in them! As long as it’s taught as a source of PRIDE we can never get past this.


The North has its history of racism but it’s not as deeply entrenched as a part of the Identity of White people there as it is in the South. There was Redlining in the North. Broken Windows Policing unevenly applied to minorities. Cities like Boston have had a very bad reputation on Race. This Tribal attitude is a big problem with some people. The Systemic Racism is more important to address than individual bigotry. That’s the daily crap that impacts the lives of minorities the most.

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10/26/2017  9:24 AM
martin wrote:I am still having a hard time following and understanding what you write. Are you trying to add to the conversation or just make jokes?

Also, thought you were done with this thread?

arkrud wrote:Hmmm... What about black skin Indians, all late immigrants from Africa? Are they members of the club or BOTTOM class?
What about Asians? What about Latin Americans? First are members and second are bottomers... or are they?
Jews of course are supper-white but hated by white supremacists... but still supper-members of the club...
What about Russians and other Western Europeans nasty gang? Scary people... are they?
They are kind of white but are thy in the club or bottomers....
You "dumbification" of the America has no limits...

arkrud wrote:I am talking about Bill, but you always reply about John....
It is to late to break this short circuit in you brain.
Have a nice day!!!

Sorry, it's addictive. Takes time to quite.this time I am out for good.this is not my world and I should not rain on your parade. Happy discussions are obviously should have no opposite vievs. Don't worry, be heappy. :)

He can teach them to meditate... but no one can control even his own mind...
Off Topic: six months later, do people who voted for Trump still support this guy?

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