martin wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:What choice do I have to conclude otherwise?

He's incapable of participating in a discussion on the discussion forum. He's incapable of being part of a community in an online community. He regularly says bat-**** crazy things. He tells black people they've never experienced racism. He advocates genocide. He advocates sexual assault and accuses every male member of the form of having committed it. None of this is exaggeration, none of this is colored through a politically partisan lens.

You've previously asked what can you do about it. I think that answer is obvious. The message I receive is that a choice is being made. So I'll ask outright, what don't I do understand about the decision made?

Or...

Why is the discourse better with him than without him?

People say stupid, disgraceful, repugnant, false, overly emotional, misleading (whether on purpose or not) things all the time, I am understanding of that. As a community, I am expecting people to respond to it accordingly. I am not here to read and respond to everything, just set up and help form a structure. We do have a path to asking people to move on, not perfect, never will be, some times slow, some times very quick.

I have not asked what I can do about it. I will however ask everyone to help us out.

For months people have been responding to Briggs substantively, and little by little it's gotten him to expose who he really is. I think the community has done its part. Now we're asking you to help us out and show us all there is a minimum standard for discourse.

reub wrote:

TheGame wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

arkrud wrote:But I personally new a lot of Americans who are very seriously offended by this while being very supportive and emphatical to minorities problems.

I think it's perfectly fair to question a commitment/engagement to the latter if it's exceeded by the former.

As explained to you many times already, the next time someone comes up with a tidy form of protest that makes everyone feel good and comfortable will be the first time someone comes up with a tidy form of protest that makes everyone feel good and comfortable.

Now they feel betrayed and disengaged.

Yes, because their feelings is really what's important here.

Also what you will say if some players will come waiving confederate flag? Do they have a right to have their point presented loud and clear on very popular platform?

Of course.

Your ridiculous false equivalency aside for a moment, did you expect any other answer?

I other words making people uncomfortable is a great way to make them help you course.
More you divide people more great results you will achieve.
More escalation is better.
Good luck man to get anything you want to achieve in life.
All of the above will help you greatly.

Its been said 1 millions times that the protest isn't about the flag or about disrespecting the military etc etc etc. So if ppl are offended over kneeling its because they choose to. If people want to ignore that its not about the flag or military etc. And want to ignore what causes ppl to even protest these things in the forst place then so be it.

If these issues were dealt with and taken seriously over the many years they have been an issue then there wouldnt be these protest.

The real issue is that people either don't believe or don't care about police brutality against minorities, so in their minds the players are kneeling over nothing. but they don't want to just admit that, so they shift it to make it about disrespecting the flag, etc. trump is just a despicable person for hyping this issue. The man literally critized John McCain and said he was not a war hero because he got captured but now he is so offended about people kneeling.

If we're going to kneel about things in their order of importance then why not kneel over all of the black on black murders in this country? That happens a LOT more than the intentional police murders of black people. I hesitate to go here because I know that the name calling and bans will start. I prefer to just discuss hoops but I just wanted to say this this one time. Will I be banned now or later?

You understand that you would be hopding officers to the same standards of murders?

We should protest murders as if they have a social awareness?

reub wrote:The problem with the left is that they are intolerant of any differing opinions. Look at Antifa at Berkeley. They would rather call you names and silence you than discuss things with you.

I'd rather here from you.

In your view, what's is the reason and significance of athletes choosing to kneel over police killing of unarmed blacks people as opposed to black on black violence.

You've asked the question and it's a valid one. So here is your invitation to provide your answer.

reub wrote:I don't want to be banned. I don't want to deal with name calling. I come here for hoops. I just wanted to let you know that not every view of the world coincides with your's And that name calling and banning is not the answer.

Rueb, I did not call you a name or suggest you should be banned. I just responded to your post as to why I disagree with the comment you made.

reub wrote:I don't want to be banned. I don't want to deal with name calling.

Nobody has done that.

I just wanted to let you know that not every view of the world coincides with your's. And that name calling and banning is not the answer.

So you're saying there's no standards? Absolutely anything that comes out of someone's mouth has some inherent value no matter how angry or misinformed?

I think denying racism exists isn't an alternative view, it's objectively incorrect.

Do you disagree?

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/09/28/racial-slurs-written-on-doors-of-five-black-cadet-candidates-at-air-force-academy-preparatory-school/?utm_term=.142d4e90fe94

Five black cadet candidates found racial slurs written on the message boards on their doors at the U.S. Air Force Academy Preparatory School this week, leading school officials to denounce racism and launch an investigation.

Security forces are looking into the matter, according to Lt. Col. Allen Herritage, a spokesman for the U.S. Air Force Academy.

“This has come out of nowhere,” he said. “We haven’t seen anything like this in recent times.”

The Air Force Times reported that a cadet candidate’s mother posted a photo on social media of “the words ‘go home n*****r’ written on the white board outside her son’s room.”

The Air Force Times did not report the names of the cadet candidate or his parents to protect their privacy but quoted the mother as saying in her post, which has since been taken down, “This is why I’m so hurt!

“These young people are supposed to bond and protect each other and the country. Who would my son have to watch out for? The enemy or the enemy?”

The father told the Air Force Times: “The word has zero power in my house. Zero power. The word is not going to yield a reaction. My initial advice to him was, respond with intelligence, do not react, do not get upset. You don’t have to defend intelligence, you don’t have to defend common sense, you don’t have to defend confidence. He’s fine.”

He told the Air Force Times he doesn’t view his son as the victim but rather the victim is the person who wrote the slurs, because that person will probably go home disgraced and lose out on a promising military career, and “because they were raised with that kind of vitriol and that kind of hate.”

newyorknewyork wrote:

reub wrote:

TheGame wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

arkrud wrote:But I personally new a lot of Americans who are very seriously offended by this while being very supportive and emphatical to minorities problems.

I think it's perfectly fair to question a commitment/engagement to the latter if it's exceeded by the former.

As explained to you many times already, the next time someone comes up with a tidy form of protest that makes everyone feel good and comfortable will be the first time someone comes up with a tidy form of protest that makes everyone feel good and comfortable.

Now they feel betrayed and disengaged.

Yes, because their feelings is really what's important here.

Also what you will say if some players will come waiving confederate flag? Do they have a right to have their point presented loud and clear on very popular platform?

Of course.

Your ridiculous false equivalency aside for a moment, did you expect any other answer?

I other words making people uncomfortable is a great way to make them help you course.
More you divide people more great results you will achieve.
More escalation is better.
Good luck man to get anything you want to achieve in life.
All of the above will help you greatly.

Its been said 1 millions times that the protest isn't about the flag or about disrespecting the military etc etc etc. So if ppl are offended over kneeling its because they choose to. If people want to ignore that its not about the flag or military etc. And want to ignore what causes ppl to even protest these things in the forst place then so be it.

If these issues were dealt with and taken seriously over the many years they have been an issue then there wouldnt be these protest.

The real issue is that people either don't believe or don't care about police brutality against minorities, so in their minds the players are kneeling over nothing. but they don't want to just admit that, so they shift it to make it about disrespecting the flag, etc. trump is just a despicable person for hyping this issue. The man literally critized John McCain and said he was not a war hero because he got captured but now he is so offended about people kneeling.

If we're going to kneel about things in their order of importance then why not kneel over all of the black on black murders in this country? That happens a LOT more than the intentional police murders of black people. I hesitate to go here because I know that the name calling and bans will start. I prefer to just discuss hoops but I just wanted to say this this one time. Will I be banned now or later?

You understand that you would be hopding officers to the same standards of murders?

We should protest murders as if they have a social awareness?

We have to protest against all murders, rapes, and other violence against anyone and by anyone, police officers not being any kind of exception.
The whole debate is build on perception that police officers (mostly white) are specifically inclined to kill black unarmed people because they are racists and white supremacists.
I think this very loaded perception and so far I cannot see anything of this kind proven in court of law.
I believe in the order build on law not on lynching people based on perception.

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

reub wrote:

TheGame wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

arkrud wrote:But I personally new a lot of Americans who are very seriously offended by this while being very supportive and emphatical to minorities problems.

I think it's perfectly fair to question a commitment/engagement to the latter if it's exceeded by the former.

As explained to you many times already, the next time someone comes up with a tidy form of protest that makes everyone feel good and comfortable will be the first time someone comes up with a tidy form of protest that makes everyone feel good and comfortable.

Now they feel betrayed and disengaged.

Yes, because their feelings is really what's important here.

Also what you will say if some players will come waiving confederate flag? Do they have a right to have their point presented loud and clear on very popular platform?

Of course.

Your ridiculous false equivalency aside for a moment, did you expect any other answer?

I other words making people uncomfortable is a great way to make them help you course.
More you divide people more great results you will achieve.
More escalation is better.
Good luck man to get anything you want to achieve in life.
All of the above will help you greatly.

Its been said 1 millions times that the protest isn't about the flag or about disrespecting the military etc etc etc. So if ppl are offended over kneeling its because they choose to. If people want to ignore that its not about the flag or military etc. And want to ignore what causes ppl to even protest these things in the forst place then so be it.

If these issues were dealt with and taken seriously over the many years they have been an issue then there wouldnt be these protest.

The real issue is that people either don't believe or don't care about police brutality against minorities, so in their minds the players are kneeling over nothing. but they don't want to just admit that, so they shift it to make it about disrespecting the flag, etc. trump is just a despicable person for hyping this issue. The man literally critized John McCain and said he was not a war hero because he got captured but now he is so offended about people kneeling.

If we're going to kneel about things in their order of importance then why not kneel over all of the black on black murders in this country? That happens a LOT more than the intentional police murders of black people. I hesitate to go here because I know that the name calling and bans will start. I prefer to just discuss hoops but I just wanted to say this this one time. Will I be banned now or later?

You understand that you would be hopding officers to the same standards of murders?

We should protest murders as if they have a social awareness?

We have to protest against all murders, rapes, and other violence against anyone and by anyone, police officers not being any kind of exception.
The whole debate is build on perception that police officers (mostly white) are specifically inclined to kill black unarmed people because they are racists and white supremacists.
I think this very loaded perception and so far I cannot see anything of this kind proven in court of law.
I believe in the order build on law not on lynching people based on perception.

No the protest is that after the wrongfully murdering A human being while being caught on camera doing it. They still We re able to get paid leave while facing no conviction.

Frankly I am tired of spelling it out. Address why African Americans get charged more severe with the same charges and background history,

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

reub wrote:

TheGame wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

arkrud wrote:But I personally new a lot of Americans who are very seriously offended by this while being very supportive and emphatical to minorities problems.

I think it's perfectly fair to question a commitment/engagement to the latter if it's exceeded by the former.

As explained to you many times already, the next time someone comes up with a tidy form of protest that makes everyone feel good and comfortable will be the first time someone comes up with a tidy form of protest that makes everyone feel good and comfortable.

Now they feel betrayed and disengaged.

Yes, because their feelings is really what's important here.

Also what you will say if some players will come waiving confederate flag? Do they have a right to have their point presented loud and clear on very popular platform?

Of course.

Your ridiculous false equivalency aside for a moment, did you expect any other answer?

I other words making people uncomfortable is a great way to make them help you course.
More you divide people more great results you will achieve.
More escalation is better.
Good luck man to get anything you want to achieve in life.
All of the above will help you greatly.

Its been said 1 millions times that the protest isn't about the flag or about disrespecting the military etc etc etc. So if ppl are offended over kneeling its because they choose to. If people want to ignore that its not about the flag or military etc. And want to ignore what causes ppl to even protest these things in the forst place then so be it.

If these issues were dealt with and taken seriously over the many years they have been an issue then there wouldnt be these protest.

The real issue is that people either don't believe or don't care about police brutality against minorities, so in their minds the players are kneeling over nothing. but they don't want to just admit that, so they shift it to make it about disrespecting the flag, etc. trump is just a despicable person for hyping this issue. The man literally critized John McCain and said he was not a war hero because he got captured but now he is so offended about people kneeling.

If we're going to kneel about things in their order of importance then why not kneel over all of the black on black murders in this country? That happens a LOT more than the intentional police murders of black people. I hesitate to go here because I know that the name calling and bans will start. I prefer to just discuss hoops but I just wanted to say this this one time. Will I be banned now or later?

You understand that you would be hopding officers to the same standards of murders?

We should protest murders as if they have a social awareness?

We have to protest against all murders, rapes, and other violence against anyone and by anyone, police officers not being any kind of exception.
The whole debate is build on perception that police officers (mostly white) are specifically inclined to kill black unarmed people because they are racists and white supremacists.
I think this very loaded perception and so far I cannot see anything of this kind proven in court of law.
I believe in the order build on law not on lynching people based on perception.

No the protest is that after the wrongfully murdering A human being while being caught on camera doing it. They still We re able to get paid leave while facing no conviction.

Frankly I am tired of spelling it out. Address why African Americans get charged more severe with the same charges and background history,

Ya know when you think about all the publicized events like Eric Garner or Tamir Rice etc you would think there's no excuse for any American to be booing or not understanding what the Protests are about. It's enough to make it clear that there is a LARGE number of White people who are choosing to ignore or minimize the severity of the issue.

We can NEVER get to a deep conversation because too many White people are unsympathetic to these facts. They believe these "Urban Animals" must've deserved to get shot in some way. That's the BRIGGS Prototype IMO. It's been this persistent group of White people that have held back progress all these decades.

reub wrote:People here are really calling the President of the United States a "fat ****"? Disgusting. I won't be back in this thread.

Who said that? I don't recall seeing that. It can't be something that was said a lot. Most of the comments have been substantive.