TheSage wrote:The far left is not going to like this but they seem to deny the right of anyone who disagrees with them to speak of anything contrary to what they believe. I have met Donald's father when he was the honoree at the first (and perhaps only joint appeal of the UJA and Federation of Jewish Philanthropies,all his grandchildren are Jewish yet he has been called an anti-semite ) in 1974 and believe i first met him there. I have represented him and have represented his primary real estate attorney. He is not a polished politician, he doesn't say things in the proper manner, doesn't necessarily articulate things clearly but he always keeps the end in mind. Every issue in like a deal that has to be made and strangely he does it. He is a negotiator and a darn good one and in the end he wins and so will the country. There has be some balance to the perfection (as seen by the millennials) and the reality of the possible. Keep in mind he negotiates in public but he always seems to come up with a darn good result and hopefully this non political approach will work for the betterment of our nation.
Appreciate the input, but having successfully negotiating contracts and deals is not the same as successfully running a country. Having grandchildren of a different background group does not really mean much of anything either when it comes to feelings about the background group.
Just as a fairly obvious public example Obama said his white grandmother (I believe) held racist beliefs. The way Trump failed to come out strongly and consistently against white supremacists with his line of reasoning/equating "Antifa" to them reminds me of former Iranian President Ahmadinejad's approach towards the Jewish holocaust or Putin's attempts to use classic lines of Socratic questioning to lure certain types into questioning widely accepted norms for political gains that also not only deny stories of victims as valid compared to those completely disconnected to these experiences, but also can lead to resentment or worse towards legitimately victimized groups for having these feelings at all. That is frankly not just "unrefined" it's unhinged to the point of showing, at a minimum, such little consideration for consequences that might come about during this aim of achieving some "goal," some of which involves ensuring their political base worships him so much he can gain so much political capital that he can have a check book of blank checks with some hope that I guess one of these crazy ideas might actually make it through.
Not sure what your first point has anything to do with the rest, and I actually think this constant reference to the "far left" as denying the right to disagree as the problem is an interesting straw man argument that Bill Maher also loves to stand upon. I consider myself fairly far to the left, but I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me and gladly will discuss, and I know I am not the only one like this. It's as if a small section of young people, who we know have less developed brains by default, and therefore likely more sensitive anyway, are the only examples of the left out there.
It's funny to me that the term "snowflake" is a reference to this group, yet I find those on the farther right to be bigger "snowflakes" if we wanted to play such a name calling game. What I mean by this is that this idea that one is "silenced" by the left and ones "freedom of speech is being taken away" is beyond laughable to me. No one is sending you to jail for most words here (I know that may be the case in some countries, but we are talking about the U.S) or distasteful jokes, but that does not mean that people have to be silent about it or seek to prevent you from saying these highly charged and arguably offensive things in places that they do not want to hear it, or telling you how awful you are. You can argue that it's better for people to hear things they don't want to hear for growth, but sometimes people are not in a place where they can do so for a long list of reasons and there are surely plenty of other spaces one can speak what they want.
I do think there is value in having difficult conversations where, for example, white people are not so afraid to say things that they are so afraid of being called racist for saying or thinking. I think this is a huge problem, actually very much so for certain white liberals who don't like to think of themselves has having racist thoughts, beliefs or benefits, but I do find it is mostly those to the right who are afraid to speak their minds on race at the risk of being called racist, because of the stigma. Ideally one can have these conversations in the right situation, but as this is such a highly fueled and sensitive topic that there are bound to be those who have strong feelings that may be difficult to put in check at times, however in the right setting with the right facilitator I believe it is possible.
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9/15/2017 8:52 PM