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GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
8/16/2017 2:14 PM
nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:gunsnewing wrote:BRIGGS wrote:arkrud wrote:BRIGGS wrote:djsunyc wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:And whether DT is or is not a good President--Im sure most people are happy to shove it up the arse of many of these arrogant bastards at the very least. What bothers me about your reply is that Ive been tracing the roots of inequality for years now, had many discussions with you about this. You know damned well I am not suggesting that it started with Obama. Obama had the most Wall Street friendly administration in US history. When you have just gotten through a period in our nation's history where we've seen fraud on a biblical scale, where millions of lives have been shattered. Thousands of suicides, an opiod epidemic in its wake. And your response is not to charge a single high ranking executive on Wall Street for said fraud, you are a big part of the problem. When George W Bush prosecutes more corporate criminals than you do, you are part of the problem. When you have to go back more than 40 years to find someone who proscuted fewer executives, you are part of the problem. Those fines were a slap on the wrist and a green light to keep juicing the economy. What regulation he has put in has been tepid, amd more in line with "moderate" republican thinking. At least used to be. |
Knickoftime
Posts: 24159 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/13/2011 Member: #3370 |
8/16/2017 2:32 PM
Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: 26 hours later. Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: No, you didn't. |
smackeddog
Posts: 38386 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
8/16/2017 2:53 PM
Knickoftime wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Unlike Trump to be bulls***ing... |
nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
8/16/2017 3:26 PM
GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:gunsnewing wrote:BRIGGS wrote:arkrud wrote:BRIGGS wrote:djsunyc wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:And whether DT is or is not a good President--Im sure most people are happy to shove it up the arse of many of these arrogant bastards at the very least. You've skipped RIGHT OVER the Republicans as if they've played no part in legislation over the last 20 years. Prosecuting Executives is NOT the end all be all solution you think it is. You think jailing a few Wall Street Execs would do anything? They'll be replaced immediately with someone else. Lifting the Poor and Middle Class is not a Republican Priority. We didn't get here by accident and there is no SIMPLE solution to the Inequality Gap and exploding CEO Compensation. The Rich are the ones lobbying to make laws that favor them and push profits to the top. Wages being increased have mostly been opposed by Republicans. Outside of the Federal Government much of the country is run by Republicans. |
GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
8/16/2017 4:20 PM
nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:gunsnewing wrote:BRIGGS wrote:arkrud wrote:BRIGGS wrote:djsunyc wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:And whether DT is or is not a good President--Im sure most people are happy to shove it up the arse of many of these arrogant bastards at the very least. You make it sound like they're Marines. These guys dont want to go to jail, their whole life is about comfort. Its called a deterrence. After the S&L crisis of the early 90s, thousands of Bankers were perp walked, jailed, and it restored faith in the banking system, and curbed that type of behavior. No one went to jail this time, and the conditions that caused the last crash are still in place because there is no deterrence. Im not arguing with your contention that republicans played a big part in being where we are today. Again, how many times have I mentioned that? What I strongly disagree with is you arguing that this could have been done without the complicity of corporate democrats. The biggest pieces of legislation that stripped away regulations, that turned Wall Street into a casino, happened during democratic administrations, because there wasnt the brake that the democratic party usually gave to policies that hurt the poor and middle class. Thats how Wall Street was able to push through massive deregulation under Bill Clinton. |
nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
8/16/2017 5:04 PM
GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:gunsnewing wrote:BRIGGS wrote:arkrud wrote:BRIGGS wrote:djsunyc wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:And whether DT is or is not a good President--Im sure most people are happy to shove it up the arse of many of these arrogant bastards at the very least. Just so we can be a bit more clear about my views on the Deregulation and Bill Clinton. I think it's real easy to just bash him for that but he was still in a tough spot at the time. The appetite for Deregulation started before Clinton. He was just the Schmo in Office when it reached critical mass. So yes Clinton signed the Financial Services Modernization Act and he was trying to be a more Right Leaning Democrat since that seemed to be the only way he could succeed at that time following Reagan and George H.W. Bush. White House: Democrat (Bill Clinton) The POWER in the U.S. has always been with the Rich and even when we had a system more friendly to the Middle Class, the Rich and Big business always worked to reverse the balance of the system that favored the Middle Class. The Rich have things almost perfect except for even lower taxes, which they would LOVE to get passed. |
meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/3/2014 Member: #5801 |
8/16/2017 5:56 PM
GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:gunsnewing wrote:BRIGGS wrote:arkrud wrote:BRIGGS wrote:djsunyc wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:And whether DT is or is not a good President--Im sure most people are happy to shove it up the arse of many of these arrogant bastards at the very least. This is accurate. Centrists have done nothing to make the economy better, and like you said Obama and Democrats are culpable for bankers not bedding taken to tall for their misdeeds. Having said that s lot of stuff that happened leading up to the meltdown want illegal, prosecuting them would have accomplished little. I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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nixluva
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8/16/2017 6:53 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:gunsnewing wrote:BRIGGS wrote:arkrud wrote:BRIGGS wrote:djsunyc wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:And whether DT is or is not a good President--Im sure most people are happy to shove it up the arse of many of these arrogant bastards at the very least. I'll say this there was a small window in which Obama and the Dems would've been able to push for some Wall Street Prosecutions pretty much in the midst of trying to save the World Economy from complete disaster! A very small window was there for the Dems while they had Majorities. They chose to focus on Healthcare with IMO was more important that getting s few scalps from Wall Street. 111th Congress: 2009 And 2010 Remember that not only did we have the Stock Market Crash and Great Recession but Obama was dealing with the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars and Republican defiance. It's possible that even if the Dems started the process of trying to prosecute more Wall Street guys they could've run out of time to finish the process since the Republicans won the House. |
nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
8/16/2017 9:23 PM
GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:The point man on all the deregulation during the Clinton years was his own Secretary of the Treasury, who he appointed. No pass. I'm telling you that those who voted in the Republicans worked against their own best interests. In Fact Obama could've accomplished more the help those very same voters if NOT for the Republicans working against him from day one all the way thru his Presidency. A few Jailed Bankers would NOT have done anything but make a few people feel good but the nature of the system doesn't change because of that. You also are leaving out Dodd-Frank and the Republican Efforts to weaken and slow down it's implementation. 1. The Volcker Rule https://fin.plaid.com/articles/major-provisions-of-the-wall-street-reform-and-consumer |
GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
8/16/2017 9:42 PM
nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:The point man on all the deregulation during the Clinton years was his own Secretary of the Treasury, who he appointed. No pass. All that was fine but it didnt go far enough to prevent all the over-leveraging that is still going on. Stock buybacks are still legal as well. They used to be illegal because its like steroids, an artificial boost to the company's stock value, and benefits mostly top executives and wealthy shareholders. Companies are putting their firms deep in debt to buy back stock, and gobble up other companies. Resulting in less competition as well. You do realize that you are arguing that jailing people who have robbed tens of millions of Americans of their life savings, of literally hundreds of billions of dollars, would serve no purpose? I really hate to break it to you Nix, but that is at the core of conservative thought these days. The only reason you seem to be agreeing with this worldview is that it was promoted by a democratic president. If laws wont stop people from breaking them, why have any laws in the first place? So I guess the only people who should face justice for their crimes are the poor. Nix meltdown in 5,4,3,2,1...... |
nixluva
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8/16/2017 10:05 PM
GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:The point man on all the deregulation during the Clinton years was his own Secretary of the Treasury, who he appointed. No pass. Don't let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good!!! When I present you with facts that more was done than you're trying to present you seek to minimize it. Let's be clear there was NOTHING before Dodd-Frank and now there is something and it can always be argued that more is needed. This is the same kind of thinking that tries to diminish the ACA because it's not perfect and of course more could be done. IN A VACUUM yes, but that's not reality. You speak of these things as if they're EASY and there would be no pushback or consequences. You speak as if you have it all figured out and i'm saying things were NOT as EASY or clear cut as you represent. I'm not arguing that no one deserved to be prosecuted. I'm saying that you're wrong if you think that would've had more of an impact on the daily lives of the poor and middle class. It would've done NOTHING to repair the damage that had been done. A LOT more good was done than you are giving credit to Obama and the Dems. They could've accomplished so much more if not for the Republicans many detrimental actions which caused a loss of Billions and kept Millions from having Health Care. You need to remember that kind of thinking is how we ended up with TRUMP!!! Progressives and Independents thinking a vote of conscience or a protest vote or not voting at all was the answer. "I'll show Hillary and those wall street Dems" FOH! |
GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
8/16/2017 10:33 PM
nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:The point man on all the deregulation during the Clinton years was his own Secretary of the Treasury, who he appointed. No pass. To sum things up, Im not arguing that jaling those executives would have financially helped at the time. I am arguing that it would have reached some important benchmarks. It would have told the American people that it wasnt business as usual anymore. Which would have also shown voters that Democrats had their back. That no one will get away with something like this again. That didnt happen, and the result was the worst midterm losses in over a hundred years. The result is business as usual in corporate America. Thats the enemy of good. Not the institution itself, but the notion that the right way to make money is treating the economy like one big casino. Not going to explain why someone else didn't vote for Clinton (or Trump), I will say it goes well beyond the economy, and her track record in government. Blaming progressives, who have little to no power in government to say that they are responsible for who gets elected president of the United States is weak, very weak. Its like blaming the customer for not eating the **** sandwhich they were presented with, instead of blaming the chef. The Clinton's policies have been a disaster, in particular for the AA community. The Crime Bill, Welfare reform, deregulation, we are living through the results. I don't believe you caught the many former Obama voters who went to Trump to help give him the win. Thats how bad a candidate she was. So bad her running mate was quoted as saying as much. Biden would know. |
nixluva
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8/16/2017 10:40 PM
GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:The point man on all the deregulation during the Clinton years was his own Secretary of the Treasury, who he appointed. No pass. I think I hold Voters to a HIGHER standard. I believe they should be smart enough to know that as flawed as Hillary may be she was CLEARLY LIGHT YEARS better than Trump. If you voted for Obama and then basically ERASED that by voting for Trump over Hillary then God help them cuz they have to live with that. I don't wanna hear this PURIST BS when you have that kind of choice in front of you. ALSO voting in the Republicans in Congress at the same time as voting for Trump is unforgivable given their track record. What exactly do you think is the argument for Trump over Hillary or a Republican Congress versus a Democratic one? There was enough time and debate to make it clear that Trump was UNFIT and should never have been allowed to be within a mile of the White House!!! Yeah but I guess those Jill Stein voters really showed us. FOH!!! |
GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
8/16/2017 10:56 PM
nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:The point man on all the deregulation during the Clinton years was his own Secretary of the Treasury, who he appointed. No pass. I dont consider avoiding World War III to be a "purist" position. You obviously have no idea how Hawkish Clinton is, the bat**** crazy ideas she promoted, like a no fly zone over Syria, which could easily have triggered a full blown war with Russia. Her use of neo-nazis to help overthrow the Ukrainian govt. Her hand in a coup that overthrew a democratically elected govt. in Honduras. She then refused admission in the US for the orphan refugee children who were caught up in that war. Clinton was the "point man" on the toppling of Gadaffi which gave ISIS their own country. She did that stuff out of the ****ing State Department, not the CIA, not the Pentagon. Was not looking forward to what she would do with even more power. Now you tell me all these concerns are just a case of being "purist", more like a case of you being purile. The democratic party has been owned by big business for the last 40 years, all the finger pointing in the world wont change that. Goodnight. |
gunsnewing
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8/17/2017 1:13 AM
Majority Of you are lost. I'll pray for you
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