EnySpree wrote:I think the Knicks need to stand their ground. If we dont like any deals Houston is throwing at is we should no have to take them. Melo has to expand his list or honor his contact. If he Comes back disgruntled then we banish him. A stand needs to be taken. Melo is just a player and we owe him nothing. It's embarrassing that the organization and players all assume the Knicks are just going to take anything back. Melo was house hunting before a deal could be made? Now he's reportedly "heated". Oh well... expand your list or honor your contract. Play another year and opt out or waitto see what teams are willing to do at the deadline. The Knicks are in the driver's seat.

I agree. And w regard to Andersen that's not our problem to move. It's houston's.

Chandler wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I think the Knicks need to stand their ground. If we dont like any deals Houston is throwing at is we should no have to take them. Melo has to expand his list or honor his contact. If he Comes back disgruntled then we banish him. A stand needs to be taken. Melo is just a player and we owe him nothing. It's embarrassing that the organization and players all assume the Knicks are just going to take anything back. Melo was house hunting before a deal could be made? Now he's reportedly "heated". Oh well... expand your list or honor your contract. Play another year and opt out or waitto see what teams are willing to do at the deadline. The Knicks are in the driver's seat.

I agree. And w regard to Andersen that's not our problem to move. It's houston's.

The Melohaters, whose battle cry is always "knicks Knicks KNICKS!" for why they can't stand melo on the team, are willing to
1) trade him for someone even more inept at defense, has an even worse contract (except no NTC), and does less of everything
2) continually make the brilliant suggestion that Melo should be paid to stay home. To the tune of 27 million dollars.

I guess this is why there are sports boards to post on. Drunks wouldn't even listen to crap like this.

jrodmc wrote:The rest of this really is an exercise in dry humor, I suppose.

The Melohaters, whose battle cry is always "knicks Knicks KNICKS!" for why they can't stand melo on the team, are willing to
1) trade him for someone even more inept at defense, has an even worse contract (except no NTC), and does less of everything
2) continually make the brilliant suggestion that Melo should be paid to stay home. To the tune of 27 million dollars.

I guess this is why there are sports boards to post on. Drunks wouldn't even listen to crap like this.

Bonn1997 wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:We have little use for Anderson. We're basically paying $60 mil for 2 distant 1st round picks. No GM will do that. Those picks are 3 and 5 years away. That means probably 5 to 8 years before the players are peaking. If Dolan would give me an 8 year guarantee, I'd consider the deal, but I think it's too much to pay for the picks anyway. Cleveland's distant picks don't work either.

2017/18 2018/19 2019/20
Ryan Anderson $19,578,455 $20,421,546 $21,264,635
Carmelo Anthony $26,243,760 $27,928,140

Under the NBA trade rules, Houston would have to include one other minor expiring contract to make the deal work. We would save about $2 mill in year one (with the added expiring contract of another player), and $5-$7 mill in year two. In year three, we would have to pay $21,264,635. So we would essentially be paying about $11 million for two future draft picks, or about $5.5 million per pick. That is not a huge costs for the picks. In fact, depending on where the picks fall, that would be fair compensation for those picks. Plus, we would get those picks at a time when KP and Frank might be earning near max salary. Thus, we will need cheap labor to fill in the roster. We would get five first round picks over a three year period to restock our roster. So I disagree with the argument that the costs is too much. Both Noah and Ryan's deals will expire the same year, which will likely give us one, and possible two max salary spots that year with two first round draft picks and KP and Frank ready to really compete. To me, it makes sense. Is it the best deal, no? But given that Melo controls all the cards, it is the best deal we are likely to get in the foreseeable future.

First, Melo may opt out. Second, despite the difficulties, I believe we can trade him for players that fit our roster rather than doing this trade. It will just require a lot of patience. So your trade would be $60 mil wasted compared to the option of trading for players who fit our team. And it's way too early to give up on that option. Your trade is a decent idea and this is a good thread though. I had thought about this option. I'm not trying to just trash your thread.

What players can we trade for that fit our roster?
It's not 60 million wasted, it's 60 million minus the 50 owed to Melo wasted. Because we are going to waste that 50 million no matter what.

We are not trading for Ryan Anderson, we are trading for draft picks(in the scenario that was presented in this thread), we are accepting Anderson to make it worth it for Houston. One extra year of 17 million cap hold is fine for two first round picks. Anderson maybe Houston's problem but Melo is ours. Can't keep him on this team otherwise all this is just theoretical.

Keeping Melo = bad draft pick, 37 wins, more negativity around KP, Billy and Frank

Bonn1997 wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:We have little use for Anderson. We're basically paying $60 mil for 2 distant 1st round picks. No GM will do that. Those picks are 3 and 5 years away. That means probably 5 to 8 years before the players are peaking. If Dolan would give me an 8 year guarantee, I'd consider the deal, but I think it's too much to pay for the picks anyway. Cleveland's distant picks don't work either.

2017/18 2018/19 2019/20
Ryan Anderson $19,578,455 $20,421,546 $21,264,635
Carmelo Anthony $26,243,760 $27,928,140

Under the NBA trade rules, Houston would have to include one other minor expiring contract to make the deal work. We would save about $2 mill in year one (with the added expiring contract of another player), and $5-$7 mill in year two. In year three, we would have to pay $21,264,635. So we would essentially be paying about $11 million for two future draft picks, or about $5.5 million per pick. That is not a huge costs for the picks. In fact, depending on where the picks fall, that would be fair compensation for those picks. Plus, we would get those picks at a time when KP and Frank might be earning near max salary. Thus, we will need cheap labor to fill in the roster. We would get five first round picks over a three year period to restock our roster. So I disagree with the argument that the costs is too much. Both Noah and Ryan's deals will expire the same year, which will likely give us one, and possible two max salary spots that year with two first round draft picks and KP and Frank ready to really compete. To me, it makes sense. Is it the best deal, no? But given that Melo controls all the cards, it is the best deal we are likely to get in the foreseeable future.

First, Melo may opt out. Second, despite the difficulties, I believe we can trade him for players that fit our roster rather than doing this trade. It will just require a lot of patience. So your trade would be $60 mil wasted compared to the option of trading for players who fit our team. And it's way too early to give up on that option. Your trade is a decent idea and this is a good thread though. I had thought about this option. I'm not trying to just trash your thread.

What players can we trade for that fit our roster?
It's not 60 million wasted, it's 60 million minus the 50 owed to Melo wasted. Because we are going to waste that 50 million no matter what.

We are not trading for Ryan Anderson, we are trading for draft picks(in the scenario that was presented in this thread), we are accepting Anderson to make it worth it for Houston. One extra year of 17 million cap hold is fine for two first round picks. Anderson maybe Houston's problem but Melo is ours. Can't keep him on this team otherwise all this is just theoretical.

Keeping Melo = bad draft pick, 37 wins, more negativity around KP, Billy and Frank

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:The rest of this really is an exercise in dry humor, I suppose.

The Melohaters, whose battle cry is always "knicks Knicks KNICKS!" for why they can't stand melo on the team, are willing to
1) trade him for someone even more inept at defense, has an even worse contract (except no NTC), and does less of everything
2) continually make the brilliant suggestion that Melo should be paid to stay home. To the tune of 27 million dollars.

I guess this is why there are sports boards to post on. Drunks wouldn't even listen to crap like this.

You realize most of the people critical of Melo have been arguing against taking back Anderson?

Would that include most of the people in the three other Houston trade threads? I stopped counting at 8 different posters...

Bonn1997 wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:We have little use for Anderson. We're basically paying $60 mil for 2 distant 1st round picks. No GM will do that. Those picks are 3 and 5 years away. That means probably 5 to 8 years before the players are peaking. If Dolan would give me an 8 year guarantee, I'd consider the deal, but I think it's too much to pay for the picks anyway. Cleveland's distant picks don't work either.

2017/18 2018/19 2019/20
Ryan Anderson $19,578,455 $20,421,546 $21,264,635
Carmelo Anthony $26,243,760 $27,928,140

Under the NBA trade rules, Houston would have to include one other minor expiring contract to make the deal work. We would save about $2 mill in year one (with the added expiring contract of another player), and $5-$7 mill in year two. In year three, we would have to pay $21,264,635. So we would essentially be paying about $11 million for two future draft picks, or about $5.5 million per pick. That is not a huge costs for the picks. In fact, depending on where the picks fall, that would be fair compensation for those picks. Plus, we would get those picks at a time when KP and Frank might be earning near max salary. Thus, we will need cheap labor to fill in the roster. We would get five first round picks over a three year period to restock our roster. So I disagree with the argument that the costs is too much. Both Noah and Ryan's deals will expire the same year, which will likely give us one, and possible two max salary spots that year with two first round draft picks and KP and Frank ready to really compete. To me, it makes sense. Is it the best deal, no? But given that Melo controls all the cards, it is the best deal we are likely to get in the foreseeable future.

First, Melo may opt out. Second, despite the difficulties, I believe we can trade him for players that fit our roster rather than doing this trade. It will just require a lot of patience. So your trade would be $60 mil wasted compared to the option of trading for players who fit our team. And it's way too early to give up on that option. Your trade is a decent idea and this is a good thread though. I had thought about this option. I'm not trying to just trash your thread.

if we don't trade Melo, I bet he does opt out. If Melo really wants to move on, he should offer a slight discount on this year and opt out of year 2. But he loves him some money so that won't happen

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:The rest of this really is an exercise in dry humor, I suppose.

The Melohaters, whose battle cry is always "knicks Knicks KNICKS!" for why they can't stand melo on the team, are willing to
1) trade him for someone even more inept at defense, has an even worse contract (except no NTC), and does less of everything
2) continually make the brilliant suggestion that Melo should be paid to stay home. To the tune of 27 million dollars.

I guess this is why there are sports boards to post on. Drunks wouldn't even listen to crap like this.

You realize most of the people critical of Melo have been arguing against taking back Anderson?

Would that include most of the people in the threetwo other Houston trade threads? I stopped counting at 8 different posters...

Which posters said we should trade for Anderson? Maybe I just missed this but I didn't see it. I know I floated the idea at one point but then said it would be a bad trade.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=57037&page=1
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=57025&page=8

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:The rest of this really is an exercise in dry humor, I suppose.

The Melohaters, whose battle cry is always "knicks Knicks KNICKS!" for why they can't stand melo on the team, are willing to
1) trade him for someone even more inept at defense, has an even worse contract (except no NTC), and does less of everything
2) continually make the brilliant suggestion that Melo should be paid to stay home. To the tune of 27 million dollars.

I guess this is why there are sports boards to post on. Drunks wouldn't even listen to crap like this.

You realize most of the people critical of Melo have been arguing against taking back Anderson?

Think the pause showed some prudent thinking. Taking back Anderson or buying out Melo is just a biased driven mistake. As is the rant to bench him if he doesnt agree to a trade. That may be the type of action taken by a crazed fanatic, who considers Uber as his prime source of income but not an NBA exec. Reason why Phil was fired. Never realized an executive's job is not to push a personal agenda. It's to be respected by players and agents, be professional, have a realistic long term plan, maximize his assets.

The way to approach Melo is to be up front and honest. Tell him that we want to get him to his desired destination, if he wishes. But currently, the return offered does not make sense for us. If he is to open up trade destinations, we feel we can add value and create a situation where both sides get what they want. But that would be professional and what a respected executive would do. Something that has been missing from this organazatiin for quite some time. Hopefully Perry agrees.

Melo will not be here much longer. He is tired if the clown show. Question is what method will we choose that dictates the return.