Ira wrote:My problems with keeping Melo are first, he's not a great player anymore and will get worse. Second, he's not a great fit. On offense, he plays isolation basketball and slows the teams ball movement whenever the ball comes to him. On defense - well he doesn't play much defense.

Every gm knows this and is ahead of the curve.

That why it was beyond stupid to take the position that if Phil talked Melo up, somehow it would fool some other GM to believe Melo isn't what he is.

Knicks fans think they are the smartest people in the room. They often prove to be the dumbest.

One thing for sure though: right out of the gate this will define mills/Perry as smart or dumb-dumbs

We shall see. Hoping for the former

Perry may have a sense of how to build a good team around Melo/KP. My main problem with this is that you already (thanks to Mills) signed Hardaway to a 71$M contract to replace much of what Melo does. Now you keep Melo, Hardaway's value shrinks. That contract will be very hard to move. You won't get value on the contract yourself as instead of being able to use Hardaway as a 2nd option who gets 12-15 shots off, he's relegated to more of a JR Smuth Cavs role where he takes 3 point shots and some plays like that. He's fine in that role, but not for 71$M.

They made an investment in Ntilikina, Hardaway, Porzingis and Willy. Good or bad they should ride it out. I don't think Melo fits with that group and Melo knows it. If this is a ploy to get more out of Houston/Cleveland in the future, great. If this is a move to get Melo to play with those 4 guys, I don't think Melo will do much good for them. He won't make us better on defense and he won't really make us that good a team on offense where they can be competing with the top teams in the East. The best and wisest move is to trade him, given you already invested 71$ M in Hardaway and you've told Krostaps it's your turn.

This is the difference in Phil Jacksn leading a team and Mills. Mills is wishy washy. No consistency, easily swayed. Just one week ago Begley reported "Under no circumstance do the Knicks envision Hardaway and Melo sharing the court together". A week later. Melo is being asked to come back and play with the Knicks. Unbelievable inconsistency. That's why I liked Phil. He had a plan, he stuck to it and he was willing to take the heat that comes with trading star players or not drafting popular names established in NCAA.

Ira wrote:

Chandler wrote:Honestly I don't know what to make of this as a tactic

One thing for sure though: right out of the gate this will define mills/Perry as smart or dumb-dumbs

We shall see. Hoping for the former

I don't think it's a tactic. I think he wants to keep Melo.

Same thing though

They're going "all in" on their reputation

And this tactic is NYK telling Houston that's a problem they, not us, need to fix if they want melo

I also think there is legitimate leverage. Houston does not want to wait until a trade deadline or next year

If they want melo they want him now and they want the rest of the summer and preseason to integrate him and Paul into whatever crazy/genius schemes dantoni conjures

I can't remember the last time a mid season trade worked??

Can't imagine they want to wait a year for an older melo and paul

My only hesitation is whether dantoni really wants melo back

CrushAlot wrote:

Ira wrote:

Chandler wrote:Honestly I don't know what to make of this as a tactic

One thing for sure though: right out of the gate this will define mills/Perry as smart or dumb-dumbs

We shall see. Hoping for the former

I don't think it's a tactic. I think he wants to keep Melo.

It isn't personal anymore with Phil gone amd Mills stepping back. Now it is just business and doing what is best for the Knicks. Maybe this means Melo negotiates a buyout where he agrees to opt out of his player option year. Maybe the list of teams he will accept expands. Maybe he is back for a year and then opts out. Putting the Knicks in a position where they take on bad, longer contracts just to move Melo makes no sense.

It was always business. Getting rid of Melo is the best business for the team. He takes up shots. He yells at our young players for talking positively about the game plan. He doesn't believe in ball movement. He doesn't believe in effort on defense.

The personal aspect came when Melo started calling shots management wise.

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Nice first move Scott Perry. What does this accomplish?

1. Establishes Perry's authority
2. Gives Melo a chance to come back - on the Knicks' team-first terms
3. Shows KP that they're trying to work with his buddy Melo
4. Makes HOU sweat it out so they sweeten the pot
5. Begins to shift the narrative of Knicks-as-laughingstock

Zero downside. Well played sir!

HELL YEAH!!!!

This.

+1

Welpee wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Ira wrote:My problems with keeping Melo are first, he's not a great player anymore and will get worse. Second, he's not a great fit. On offense, he plays isolation basketball and slows the teams ball movement whenever the ball comes to him. On defense - well he doesn't play much defense.

Every gm knows this and is ahead of the curve.

That why it was beyond stupid to take the position that if Phil talked Melo up, somehow it would fool some other GM to believe Melo isn't what he is.

Knicks fans think they are the smartest people in the room. They often prove to be the dumbest.

No, Phil couldn't talk up Melo to improve his trade value, but he certainly can talk him down to further decrease it. And when you put it out there that you want to trade Melo you further erode the lack of leverage you're already dealing with. It's like buying a car. If the dealer knows 100% you need to walk off the lot with a vehicle you're not getting anywhere near a decent deal.

What world do you live in where all other GM's don't get access to the same 82 games we just saw Melo play, the advanced metric stats and it's not a job they are getting paid multi millions to understand who and what Melo is more than you.

Knicks fans think they are the smartest in room. NY arrogance? We consistently prove we are the dumbest.

Sinix wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Ira wrote:My problems with keeping Melo are first, he's not a great player anymore and will get worse. Second, he's not a great fit. On offense, he plays isolation basketball and slows the teams ball movement whenever the ball comes to him. On defense - well he doesn't play much defense.

Every gm knows this and is ahead of the curve.

That why it was beyond stupid to take the position that if Phil talked Melo up, somehow it would fool some other GM to believe Melo isn't what he is.

Knicks fans think they are the smartest people in the room. They often prove to be the dumbest.

No, Phil couldn't talk up Melo to improve his trade value, but he certainly can talk him down to further decrease it. And when you put it out there that you want to trade Melo you further erode the lack of leverage you're already dealing with. It's like buying a car. If the dealer knows 100% you need to walk off the lot with a vehicle you're not getting anywhere near a decent deal.

What world do you live in where all other GM's don't get access to the same 82 games we just saw Melo play, the advanced metric stats and it's not a job they are getting paid multi millions to understand who and what Melo is more than you.

Knicks fans think they are the smartest in room. NY arrogance? We consistently prove we are the dumbest.

Your so right. This proves it.

https://www.google.com/amp/ftw.usatoday.com/2017/02/jeremy-lin-jimmy-neutron-hair-style-photo-amazing/amp

meloshouldgo wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:I suspect we were going to be taking long bad contracts and or surrendering picks. Good on Perry if he stopped this.

Yes, keep making stuff up to create a position.

The whole thread is speculating what's going on. For the record, I want melo traded but I don't want the people who have been around the last Knick trades doing it. You are so obsessed with melo I doubt you'll be around after he's gone.

Aren't you the poster who keeps posting about melos thoughts and motivations and personal life even though you have zero insight into any if it?