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fishmike
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8/25/2004  2:54 AM
"In the deal, Dampier will receive a seven-year, $73 million contract, ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher has learned."

Is that good business? I know they are a win now team and he certainly makes them better but thats awfully pricey.

I guess we will find out. So far the Lefrenz contract hasnt hurt them so why knock them for Dampier?
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8/25/2004  2:57 AM
that is a lot of money thrown at a guy who's done nothing over 7yrs.

quite a risk, glad IT didn't take it (or tried too hard).
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8/25/2004  2:59 AM
What a poor free-agent class this year turned out to be.
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8/25/2004  3:09 AM
The only way to justify that kind of deal is if the player to be so grossly overpaid will put a team over the top. Whether or not Dampier does that for Dallas (I doubt it), he certainly wouldn't have done that for the Knicks.

I'm glad he didn't come here at anything close to that price.
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8/25/2004  3:11 AM
Posted by Mac:

What a poor free-agent class this year turned out to be.

wait, as many teams will have a lot of cap room next year, it will be all over again. prices will inflate and role players, unproven guys... will get huge contracts. Wait for the contract guys like swift will gonna get.
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8/25/2004  9:19 AM
I think Rich said it best, and I think Dampier is pretty close to putting them over the top. We will see, but your definatly right regarding the Knicks. We arent the Mavs, and we arent one Dampier away fom a title.
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8/25/2004  9:25 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I think Rich said it best, and I think Dampier is pretty close to putting them over the top. We will see, but your definatly right regarding the Knicks. We arent the Mavs, and we arent one Dampier away fom a title.

He would have put last year team over the top.

Now, terry is not steve nash, they lost their great sixth man in jamison for a team cancer (stack)... I don't see how they could be over the top now. I still don't see how they could handle the spurs or the wolves.
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8/25/2004  9:42 AM
Over the top, thats a joke

They still have no defenders, which is why there always under achieving, they also have a coach who thinks scoring is they way to win games. Thats just not the recipe for a championship
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8/25/2004  9:48 AM
Posted by raven:
Posted by fishmike:

I think Rich said it best, and I think Dampier is pretty close to putting them over the top. We will see, but your definatly right regarding the Knicks. We arent the Mavs, and we arent one Dampier away fom a title.

He would have put last year team over the top.

Now, terry is not steve nash, they lost their great sixth man in jamison for a team cancer (stack)... I don't see how they could be over the top now. I still don't see how they could handle the spurs or the wolves.
Exactly, seems Dampier is the only defensive player on that team. He most likely will be overworked with Dallas.
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8/25/2004  9:55 AM
Posted by KNICKSdom:
Posted by raven:
Posted by fishmike:

I think Rich said it best, and I think Dampier is pretty close to putting them over the top. We will see, but your definatly right regarding the Knicks. We arent the Mavs, and we arent one Dampier away fom a title.

He would have put last year team over the top.

Now, terry is not steve nash, they lost their great sixth man in jamison for a team cancer (stack)... I don't see how they could be over the top now. I still don't see how they could handle the spurs or the wolves.
Exactly, seems Dampier is the only defensive player on that team. He most likely will be overworked with Dallas.
I think Finley, Howard, and Daniels are all strong defenders (and obviously Dampier is too). What's their starting lineup going to be? Something like Terry, Finley, Howard, Dirk, and Dampier? I think that gives them three strong defenders, one okay defender (Dirk) and only one below average defender (Terry)
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8/25/2004  10:25 AM
I for one never wanted Dampier and I am confused on how all of a sudden this guy is the missing piece for a contender, actually, when did the mavs become contenders anyway? I still don't think dampier makes the mavs better than the Rockets, spurs, Kings and wolves. Cuban will be looking to dum that bad contract in a couple of years.... that contract is a Joke...
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8/25/2004  10:28 AM
incredible how cuban destroyed a fun team in a couple of years.
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8/25/2004  10:44 AM
Posted by tkf:

I for one never wanted Dampier and I am confused on how all of a sudden this guy is the missing piece for a contender, actually, when did the mavs become contenders anyway? I still don't think dampier makes the mavs better than the Rockets, spurs, Kings and wolves. Cuban will be looking to dum that bad contract in a couple of years.... that contract is a Joke...
When you win between 50 and 60 games every year and just now address your biggest need, you can legitimately be called a contender.
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8/25/2004  11:05 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by tkf:

I for one never wanted Dampier and I am confused on how all of a sudden this guy is the missing piece for a contender, actually, when did the mavs become contenders anyway? I still don't think dampier makes the mavs better than the Rockets, spurs, Kings and wolves. Cuban will be looking to dum that bad contract in a couple of years.... that contract is a Joke...
When you win between 50 and 60 games every year and just now address your biggest need, you can legitimately be called a contender.

yea, they were winning 50 and 60 games with one of the better Point guards in the league in Nash, now nash is not there, so I ask again, when has this team become a contender? winning 50 or 60 games a year makes you a good regular season team but not a contender...
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8/25/2004  11:07 AM
Don't kid yourselves, people. The Mavs are going to be fantastic. They are one of the deepest, most versatile teams in the league.

Terry, Daniels (MD is better than Crawford), Harris
Finley, Stack
Howard, Stack
Dirk,
Damps, Booth, Pavel

They're going to be very, very, very good. Dirk is still like 25 or something and Damps is only 29 (see hoopshype, he's a year younger than the leagues record previously indicate). Throw in the two youngsters Howard and Daniels and maybe even Harris and the Mavs are going to still be high scoring but also fierce on defense. The fact that they turned the aging Nash and Walker and overrated Jamison into this haul is impressive, to see the least. What a great job they've done drafting and trading. Cuban and Nelson have done a brilliant, brilliant job despite hating each other.

The mavericks will be one of the top three teams in the league. Actually, pretty much the top teams all reside in Texas right now: Spurs, Rockets and Mavs. Watch out. Also, the Damps contract isn't too bad when you realize he's 29 and that it's the exact same contract the Kings gave Brad Miller.
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8/25/2004  11:18 AM
I dissagree, I have been a season ticket holder in Atlanta and have seen enough of terry to tell you that he is not better than crawford.. I think a lot of people really have not seen crawford play, anyway Daniels is a good player but again no one is going to be scared of Terry and Daniels...

dirk is Dirk but I don't see how Dampiers presence makes him any better and Finley will do what finley does, but with that said, stack will just be replacing Jamison, and probably will not give the mavs anymore than what Jamison gave... I do think their backcourt is weaker without nash because he is a better pick and roll player than both terry and daniels and that was a big part of the chemistry between dirk and nash...

This bring me to dampier.... I don't like the guy, the guy is a bum, I don't care if he is 29,30 or 31, He does not make dallas better than the rockets, or kings, or spurs or wolves, I wonder if they will be better than the nuggets....
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8/25/2004  11:36 AM
I said Daniels was better than Crawford, not Terry. I don't like Terry either and I'm not sure he'll start over Daniels or Harris at the point. The Mavs may also be saving Terry for a Kidd trade.

And the Nuggets will be very good, but have no outside shooting whatsoever. And the zone has proven that outside shooting is very important.

And Damps is not a bum. Sometimes playing in a losing environment for 7 years can drag a person down. Changing to one of the elite teams in the West can help change things rather quickly. Ignore Dallas at your own risk.
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Posted by crzymdups:

I said Daniels was better than Crawford, not Terry. I don't like Terry either and I'm not sure he'll start over Daniels or Harris at the point. The Mavs may also be saving Terry for a Kidd trade.

And the Nuggets will be very good, but have no outside shooting whatsoever. And the zone has proven that outside shooting is very important.

And Damps is not a bum. Sometimes playing in a losing environment for 7 years can drag a person down. Changing to one of the elite teams in the West can help change things rather quickly. Ignore Dallas at your own risk.

Daniels IMO is no where as good as crawford but that is another discussion... Using that losing enviornment argument in Damps case is not valid, this guy had every oppurtinity to make his team better, he was a large part of that losing enviornment, but even over the past 2 years when GS started playing better basketball, Dampier was no where near dominant, after 7 years in this league this guy has shown that he is only interested in playing when he wants to and when it is time to get a new contract... I will ignore dallas and I don't see the risk, they will not make it out of the west, I named 4 teams that are clearly better than the mavs, clearly better. The only thing the mavs will contend for is another early playoff exit...

[Edited by - tkf on 08/25/2004 11:52:30]
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8/25/2004  11:55 AM
Say what you will about it being in a contract year, but 12, 12 and 2 is pretty damn good for centers these days. Damps always played well when he got playing time.

I still say Dallas is going to be great.

As for Craw vs. Daniels, Daniels plays much more defense and involves his teammates more. Jamal is the better scorer and shooter and dribbler, but Daniels is better in every other aspect (rebounding, defense, passing, basketball IQ). Daniels is better right now, Jamal can be better in the long run. But I guarantee you that NYK vs. DAL is going to get ugly from our side this year. Daniels is a better fit for the Mavs, he gives them the toughness and smarts they need. They're going to be very very very good.
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8/25/2004  12:18 PM
The Mavs downgraded at PG from like the 8th best PG to the maybe the 14th best PG. By upgrading from Chubby Fortson and Shawn Bradley at C to Erick Dampier, they've upgraded at C from about the 40th best C in the league to about the 5th best. That's why the upgrade at C is much bigger than the downgrade at PG and I expect the team to be significantly better than last year.
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