I agree that Giving Griff all this power is a bit too soon. I think we need to build upon what is already here and be patient. Promote H20 to GM and run with it. There is no starphuch to be had NOW. Griff would want his own gig, own players and coach. Jeff is not a bad coach and we have a growing core.

We can't give up picks for a GM, and there are no more saviors to be had. It's tie to keep the youth movement going and grow from within. If Houston is not GM material by now then cut him lose. If so then promote him and keep going.

Griff is a good dude but he does not have the culture to bring in unless he can bring Lebron with him. That's starphuch territory and that fairytale stuff don't play.

At the same time its important that these guys start getting replaced one by one and fresh blood be infused. Mills needs to bring or promote a GM with a vision and implement that with the assets we have.

Change is good, but that alone does not bring results.

knicks1248 wrote:

Uptown wrote:I was talking to a fellow Knicks fan/sufferer about giving Houston the GM gig. Mind as well. No respectable GM will come here without bringing in his guys while Dolans guys get to hang around. Mills can take over as prez and let Houston be the front man...What else we got to lose?

A lot more games.

Mills and Allan were primarily running things, while phil sat on his ass and collected a fat check, and was basically mills mouth piece.

Im telling you know before it comes out in the open..MILLS WAS THE ONE WHO WANTS MELO GONE(and im expecting mill will make a horrible deal if he does get traded) NOT SO MUCH PHIL.

I read that ISOLA article, and it has become crystal clear that mills was responsible for almost every FA signing and Trades made under phill.

When we hear that phill wasnt really speaking to other presidents and GM's, it make more sense now..They wanted to speak to phil, and got mills..

Phil was good dude... Mills is the evil...
Now we know the truth!!!

Remember, Mills was president when Phil was hired and Mills was promoted back in the wake of is departure.

Knicks1248, if an Isola article brings clarity to you then your gullible. You telling us that Mills was behind Noah? Mills was behind the move to exile Melo? Exclusively?

mlby1215 wrote:There are a lot of reasons why he couldn't build his own culture. The most important one is that as fans we didn't accept it. What he wanted is mentor-student relationship, but what we wanted is buddy-buddy relationship. When he went a little tough on his students, like you should not hold the ball for that long, people were just outraged. We would think he betrayed Melo because as a buddy you will never say any bad things publicly about your buddy.

The problem is that he thought he was here to teach, not to come here to be your friend. Rambis tried the same in his 9-19 but got burned, again, like his time in Twolf. A bad team with only 1-2 stars are very dangerous. People are very protective of their star(s) because it is everything they have. Looking back, Twolf and Love, Knicks and Melo, there are many things similar.

Building a culture was a dream. It was not gonna happen no matter what. In New York it is like, if you don't do the way the fans want you to do, then media would take advantages because anger sells. It could have been all fine if Dolan was not weak as a owner. He listened to his boys. "Phil is the worst" Our anger gave media the strength, then Dolan's old band just talked and talked around him , like "Phil is not good. Listen to your fans. Read the news. He is not loyal to you. We are." One day, Dolan gave up and paid Phil 20mil to go away, then the rest is history.

Dolan is a fool, but a super rich one. There are many guys sucking on his money. Phil was not good for them. They asked Dolan to fire Phil but they did it not for Melo. They did it for themselves. Melo now has to go away as well.

The only winner is Dolans's boys. If Mills got fired, I fully expect someone like Allan Houston would take the seat. If he is fired, then it is time for Isiah Thomas. If he is fired again then it is probably back to Mills. it is just a circle of life, and Dolan's boys will never die.

Nalod wrote:Phil comes in but he never built his own culture. The group of Warkentein and Gabriel all lurk in the shadows..
I'm not quite in Isola's simple world of hate mongering for ratings because that's too easy.
Phil didn't get to clean house and bring in his "boys" because he didn't have any except cleamons and Rambis. Griff in three years has not built his own under Gilberts rule and Lebrons suggestive stance. He was hired to rebuild the Cavs, Hired Blatt to mentor the yoots, then Lebron came home and ran the show.

I agree that Giving Griff all this power is a bit too soon. I think we need to build upon what is already here and be patient. Promote H20 to GM and run with it. There is no starphuch to be had NOW. Griff would want his own gig, own players and coach. Jeff is not a bad coach and we have a growing core.

We can't give up picks for a GM, and there are no more saviors to be had. It's tie to keep the youth movement going and grow from within. If Houston is not GM material by now then cut him lose. If so then promote him and keep going.

Griff is a good dude but he does not have the culture to bring in unless he can bring Lebron with him. That's starphuch territory and that fairytale stuff don't play.

At the same time its important that these guys start getting replaced one by one and fresh blood be infused. Mills needs to bring or promote a GM with a vision and implement that with the assets we have.

Change is good, but that alone does not bring results.

When the only goal in live is retirement with hefty nested egg and golden parachutes what else you expect?
All corporations are the same and MSG is not an exception.
And fans are just consumers.
They are not into the game to enjoy, they are into enjoying themselves being miserable.
So everyone gets what they deserve.

arkrud wrote:When the only goal in live is retirement with hefty nested egg and golden parachutes what else you expect?
All corporations are the same and MSG is not an exception.
And fans are just consumers.
They are not into the game to enjoy, they are into enjoying themselves being miserable.
So everyone gets what they deserve.

The grunts on the ground just live in the griping, complaining and calling make believe shots as it's just a way to excise the wounds of not winning the chip each year.

Love Phil's feet pic shot. Very fitting meme for his time back here as a "real New Yorker".

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Uptown wrote:I was talking to a fellow Knicks fan/sufferer about giving Houston the GM gig. Mind as well. No respectable GM will come here without bringing in his guys while Dolans guys get to hang around. Mills can take over as prez and let Houston be the front man...What else we got to lose?

A lot more games.

Mills and Allan were primarily running things, while phil sat on his ass and collected a fat check, and was basically mills mouth piece.

Im telling you know before it comes out in the open..MILLS WAS THE ONE WHO WANTS MELO GONE(and im expecting mill will make a horrible deal if he does get traded) NOT SO MUCH PHIL.

I read that ISOLA article, and it has become crystal clear that mills was responsible for almost every FA signing and Trades made under phill.

When we hear that phill wasnt really speaking to other presidents and GM's, it make more sense now..They wanted to speak to phil, and got mills..

What article? That seems strange since Phil was signing overrated, aging, injured guys and Mills just signed a 24 year old on the rise.

Noah and lee were the only 30 yr olds..jennings 27, rose 27, lance 27, dwill 24. sasha and edmundson were 1th 14th in the rotation if that

Its my opinion Phil loves NY. Not just just the knicks, but the energy and culture. I think he wanted to right this franchise then leave.
One thing some of you miss is that you don't really think people change, grow or improve. Hardaway is not the same plaeyr he was.
Mills is a very smart man and was in line to head the players union before DOlan bought him back. Do you think in his years he has not learned? Grown? Experienced things that changed his views?
Thus you think he is the same level of competence as he was 10 years ago?
That Dolan who is an awful owner for the knicks because he is not involved does not at least seek outside consul?

PHil, like a lot of Knick moves are good decisions with bad outcomes.

But Fans don't dictate the teams moves nor does media. Media will reflect back the fans impatience and frustration and feed you what you want to hear.
Phil's arrogance was him bucking the media and most of you sided with the Media.

When you take ten steps back and look a the team it is young, some good yoot, its not "ReBuilding". How can you assume we "rebuilding" when the last good season, a 54 win was a rag tag of old players who fell apart by seasons end.
How can one rebuild quickly when there are no assets to build on? Fans like to look at each brick and comment but in time it adds up. We had so few bricks to start. The tear down was not easy either.

Media will report each brick. Isola hates bricks. So today we hate on Mills.
Griff is a fine young GM but does not have the juice of the tree to bring to NY with the cred that is needed IF you clean house. Nothing with Knicks really calls for housecleaning. We had to stop Phil from burning the bridge with KP. 33 year old Melo time was up. Simple. The Triangle was told by us by reporters looking for people to tell us the triangle was bad. Phil was trying to get players of high IQ to play a high level of intelligent basketball.

And some of you think that was a bad thing.