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CrushAlot
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7/9/2017  12:37 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19930463
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7/9/2017  12:40 AM
The sooner, the better, so we can all sleep easy at night knowing we have a proven GM who knows what he's doing.
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7/9/2017  12:44 AM
Hopefully Mills discussed the Hardaway signing with Griffin beforehand
fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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7/9/2017  12:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2017  12:58 AM
This would be a massive set back to the organizations direction. Should stick with Mills and take that direction. Knicks are being stupid. New President comes with new direction and that in itself set the organization back.
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7/9/2017  12:59 AM
It's kinda amazing that if the Knicks wanted to hire Griffin, why not do it before signing Hardaway.

Hopefully Griffin can help alleviate the dysfunction of this franchise.

He's already worked for one jackass owner.
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7/9/2017  1:02 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2017  1:14 AM
TLover wrote:It's kinda amazing that if the Knicks wanted to hire Griffin, why not do it before signing Hardaway.

Hopefully Griffin can help alleviate the dysfunction of this franchise.

He's already worked for one jackass owner.

Reports indicate that he met with Mills in NYC all weekend, so don't be surprised if MIlls consulted with him on the offer.
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7/9/2017  2:21 AM
Vmart wrote:This would be a massive set back to the organizations direction. Should stick with Mills and take that direction. Knicks are being stupid. New President comes with new direction and that in itself set the organization back.

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7/9/2017  2:43 AM
everyone knows that Griffin just looked good because LeBron was the GM there with the Cavs and made it work on the court. Wish they extended Griffin for 2 years (one more year than LeBron would be there) to expose Griffin as a scrub GM once LeBron leaves.
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7/9/2017  3:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2017  3:43 AM
What would Griffin think when Mills told him, "Yeah, we have no cap room at all for next 2 years...... I just signed someone. Hopefully you can sit here and be good for us. "
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7/9/2017  4:00 AM
I'm not a fan of his at all- doled out terrible contracts to Tristan Thomas, Jr Smith and shumpert, traded away multiple first rounders for short term fixes too- has really painted the cavs into a corner. In his defense you could say it's hard to distinguish how much of it was him vs how much of it was him being held hostage by LeBron, but even if it's the latter I'm not sure how that's reassuring.
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smackeddog wrote:I'm not a fan of his at all- doled out terrible contracts to Tristan Thomas, Jr Smith and shumpert, traded away multiple first rounders for short term fixes too- has really painted the cavs into a corner. In his defense you could say it's hard to distinguish how much of it was him vs how much of it was him being held hostage by LeBron, but even if it's the latter I'm not sure how that's reassuring.

Can't say I support the contracts to JR and Shump but it's important to note that Cavs are chasing a title here, so it would be reasonable to trade away assets to improve your chances of getting a title .

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7/9/2017  7:21 AM
Griffin wants to bring his own staff.
Dolan wants to keep Mills and the NY guys that have survived many regime changes.
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7/9/2017  7:28 AM
nyknickzingis wrote:Griffin wants to bring his own staff.
Dolan wants to keep Mills and the NY guys that have survived many regime changes.

I assumed Griffin didn't mean getting rid of Mills. Mills is the person meeting with him and hiring him. I don't think Mills would hire him if the expectation was that he'd be getting rid of him (Mills).
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Bonn1997 wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Griffin wants to bring his own staff.
Dolan wants to keep Mills and the NY guys that have survived many regime changes.

I assumed Griffin didn't mean getting rid of Mills. Mills is the person meeting with him and hiring him. I don't think Mills would hire him if the expectation was that he'd be getting rid of him (Mills).

According to a report I read, it's more than that.
Phil even was not allowed to clean house bring in his own support staff, he had to keep Allan Houston and some of the support staff.
Griffin wants to bring the same support staff he had in Cleveland.
They are wanting him to take on the same scouts, same support staff that is in place here from a few years. The guys that have survived the Walsh/Grunweld/Phil Jackson eras.
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nyknickzingis wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Griffin wants to bring his own staff.
Dolan wants to keep Mills and the NY guys that have survived many regime changes.

I assumed Griffin didn't mean getting rid of Mills. Mills is the person meeting with him and hiring him. I don't think Mills would hire him if the expectation was that he'd be getting rid of him (Mills).

According to a report I read, it's more than that.
Phil even was not allowed to clean house bring in his own support staff, he had to keep Allan Houston and some of the support staff.
Griffin wants to bring the same support staff he had in Cleveland.
They are wanting him to take on the same scouts, same support staff that is in place here from a few years. The guys that have survived the Walsh/Grunweld/Phil Jackson eras.

I don't think "support staff" means team president. I'm pretty sure the GM works under the president.
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7/9/2017  7:52 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Griffin wants to bring his own staff.
Dolan wants to keep Mills and the NY guys that have survived many regime changes.

I assumed Griffin didn't mean getting rid of Mills. Mills is the person meeting with him and hiring him. I don't think Mills would hire him if the expectation was that he'd be getting rid of him (Mills).

According to a report I read, it's more than that.
Phil even was not allowed to clean house bring in his own support staff, he had to keep Allan Houston and some of the support staff.
Griffin wants to bring the same support staff he had in Cleveland.
They are wanting him to take on the same scouts, same support staff that is in place here from a few years. The guys that have survived the Walsh/Grunweld/Phil Jackson eras.

I don't think "support staff" means team president. I'm pretty sure the GM works under the president.

Obviously Mills stays. No dispute on that.
The interesting thing is Griffin wants his own support staff and Knicks want to keep many of the same staff they already have in place.
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7/9/2017  7:58 AM
nyknickzingis wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Griffin wants to bring his own staff.
Dolan wants to keep Mills and the NY guys that have survived many regime changes.

I assumed Griffin didn't mean getting rid of Mills. Mills is the person meeting with him and hiring him. I don't think Mills would hire him if the expectation was that he'd be getting rid of him (Mills).

According to a report I read, it's more than that.
Phil even was not allowed to clean house bring in his own support staff, he had to keep Allan Houston and some of the support staff.
Griffin wants to bring the same support staff he had in Cleveland.
They are wanting him to take on the same scouts, same support staff that is in place here from a few years. The guys that have survived the Walsh/Grunweld/Phil Jackson eras.

I don't think "support staff" means team president. I'm pretty sure the GM works under the president.

Obviously Mills stays. No dispute on that.
The interesting thing is Griffin wants his own support staff and Knicks want to keep many of the same staff they already have in place.

Oh OK. I thought you were saying Griffin wanted Mills gone too, which I didn't think seemed likely.
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7/9/2017  8:05 AM
I think the problem is like with Phil, so long as you have Mills who is a Dolan guy, and the supports staff that have survived many regimes, you will keep hearing conflict and "leaks" from the media where you'll see a divide and conflict in what we want to do.

Dolan should have some balls. Either hand the team to Mills, Gaines, Houston and whatever he has now. They've been running things for a few weeks now. Why bring in a guy like Griffin and then force him to work without the people he is comfortable with? If you want to bring in Griffin, give him the staff he wants.

I'm actually ok with giving Mills and this group a year to show what they can do. What is Griffin going to do in one year, anyway? There's no big easy solution here. Everything is pretty much already being set up to move forward now. See what happens in this coming year, and then make a change in a year.

I don't like this Dolan style of forcing Mills, MSG staff on front office executives who want to work with their own people. It will lead to a divide and lead to continuing media leaks where you'll read about how "certain members of Dolan's advisory group think ......".
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