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8/11/2017  12:58 PM
fitzfarm wrote:I wouldn't be opposed to taking Anderson's contract if we got capela and the rights to lluli,and zhou qi

Anderson is not a bad back up 4 and I'm willing to role with Beasley,lance,kuz at the three

Capela can start with kp or be a great back up 5 I personally feel kp is ready to start at the 5 .

Getting a nice prospect in qi who will contribute in a few years.

But the prize is lulli the guy is the best pg playing outside the NBA right now. I'm sure going to a international city like NYC would make the NBA more appealing.

I can't see them including Capela... that said, I wouldn't be so concerned about Andersen's salary if we got Capela too. He's young, can play, and has gotten much better each season he's been in the league. I would think that Capela and KP could be a great front court for a lot of years. I also like that he performs without being featured. I really do think Capela could become a Chandler/Camby type

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8/11/2017  1:23 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:I wouldn't be opposed to taking Anderson's contract if we got capela and the rights to lluli,and zhou qi

Anderson is not a bad back up 4 and I'm willing to role with Beasley,lance,kuz at the three

Capela can start with kp or be a great back up 5 I personally feel kp is ready to start at the 5 .

Getting a nice prospect in qi who will contribute in a few years.

But the prize is lulli the guy is the best pg playing outside the NBA right now. I'm sure going to a international city like NYC would make the NBA more appealing.

I can't see them including Capela... that said, I wouldn't be so concerned about Andersen's salary if we got Capela too. He's young, can play, and has gotten much better each season he's been in the league. I would think that Capela and KP could be a great front court for a lot of years. I also like that he performs without being featured. I really do think Capela could become a Chandler/Camby type

Agreed ! I really like capela, I think if they really want melo and can't find a third team then my above trade should be the price to pay . Otherwise we keep melo for one more year and he can use his eTO for next season

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8/11/2017  1:27 PM
Nalod wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:I wouldn't be opposed to taking Anderson's contract if we got capela and the rights to lluli,and zhou qi

Anderson is not a bad back up 4 and I'm willing to role with Beasley,lance,kuz at the three

Capela can start with kp or be a great back up 5 I personally feel kp is ready to start at the 5 .

Getting a nice prospect in qi who will contribute in a few years.

But the prize is lulli the guy is the best pg playing outside the NBA right now. I'm sure going to a international city like NYC would make the NBA more appealing.


Lulli just blew his ACL and has a three year contract where he is.
Capella is great, but Rockets know this and need him.
ANderson is at 20mil a year is a lot to back up KP. Its not the player, its his age and money.

I'd view Anderson as more than just a backup. I think he'd be a 26 mpg 6th man. Maybe he gets 20 mpg backing up KP (we should be limiting his minutes anyway) and a few min on the court with KP.

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8/11/2017  1:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/11/2017  1:58 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
TLover wrote:Thinking the 3rd team could be the Pistons...

Melo to the Rockets

Ariza & Anderson to the Pistons

T.Harris, J.Leuer & Rockets 1st rounder to the Knicks

That would be awesome!!

J Leur makes 11 mill for 3 more yrs, along with noah, your willing to pay 2 centers 28 mill, and you're talking about melo taking minutes from the young guys?

Don't the knicks have 15 players under contract, and about 5 that can play forward and center.. is J. Leuer going to be waived..

The knicks don't want Houstons 1st rnd pick. They want a somewhat young starter (t harris is good) and a top 15 draft pick.

Now you tell me, what idiotic team is going to give up a mid 1st rnd pick and a young starter for ANDERSON (a one dimensional 3 point specialist) who has a Bogus contract

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8/11/2017  2:24 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:I wouldn't be opposed to taking Anderson's contract if we got capela and the rights to lluli,and zhou qi

Anderson is not a bad back up 4 and I'm willing to role with Beasley,lance,kuz at the three

Capela can start with kp or be a great back up 5 I personally feel kp is ready to start at the 5 .

Getting a nice prospect in qi who will contribute in a few years.

But the prize is lulli the guy is the best pg playing outside the NBA right now. I'm sure going to a international city like NYC would make the NBA more appealing.


Lulli just blew his ACL and has a three year contract where he is.
Capella is great, but Rockets know this and need him.
ANderson is at 20mil a year is a lot to back up KP. Its not the player, its his age and money.

I'd view Anderson as more than just a backup. I think he'd be a 26 mpg 6th man. Maybe he gets 20 mpg backing up KP (we should be limiting his minutes anyway) and a few min on the court with KP.

At $20,000,000 a year? Thats the core of the trade, a back up stretch 4?
You ready to throw in the towel?

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8/11/2017  2:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/11/2017  2:40 PM
Nalod wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:I wouldn't be opposed to taking Anderson's contract if we got capela and the rights to lluli,and zhou qi

Anderson is not a bad back up 4 and I'm willing to role with Beasley,lance,kuz at the three

Capela can start with kp or be a great back up 5 I personally feel kp is ready to start at the 5 .

Getting a nice prospect in qi who will contribute in a few years.

But the prize is lulli the guy is the best pg playing outside the NBA right now. I'm sure going to a international city like NYC would make the NBA more appealing.


Lulli just blew his ACL and has a three year contract where he is.
Capella is great, but Rockets know this and need him.
ANderson is at 20mil a year is a lot to back up KP. Its not the player, its his age and money.

I'd view Anderson as more than just a backup. I think he'd be a 26 mpg 6th man. Maybe he gets 20 mpg backing up KP (we should be limiting his minutes anyway) and a few min on the court with KP.

At $20,000,000 a year? Thats the core of the trade, a back up stretch 4?
You ready to throw in the towel?


No, not just a backup. I see him as being as good as any 6th man of the year player even if he doesn't get the award. I'm not saying I'd sign him as an FA for that money or even do a straight-up trade involving Melo. It wouldn't be throwing in the towel. I'd see him as a key part of our future. I went into this much more earlier but he's a darn good player (best on/off #s on his team every year, great offensive impact, not as bad as his reputation on defense, etc.). For whatever reasons, his trade value has plummeted. It's the perfect time to buy low. I'm not interested in buying high (think Kyrie Irving). I'd rather be given assets to take an underrated player. If you look at our history, we're probably not going to get anything great in free agency with the salary Anderson would be taking up anyway in year 3. Would you rather have Ryan Anderson, Ariza/Capella/Llull, and 2 of Houston's first round picks or another Courtney Lee, Noah, Thomas, etc.
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8/11/2017  2:47 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:I wouldn't be opposed to taking Anderson's contract if we got capela and the rights to lluli,and zhou qi

Anderson is not a bad back up 4 and I'm willing to role with Beasley,lance,kuz at the three

Capela can start with kp or be a great back up 5 I personally feel kp is ready to start at the 5 .

Getting a nice prospect in qi who will contribute in a few years.

But the prize is lulli the guy is the best pg playing outside the NBA right now. I'm sure going to a international city like NYC would make the NBA more appealing.


Lulli just blew his ACL and has a three year contract where he is.
Capella is great, but Rockets know this and need him.
ANderson is at 20mil a year is a lot to back up KP. Its not the player, its his age and money.

I'd view Anderson as more than just a backup. I think he'd be a 26 mpg 6th man. Maybe he gets 20 mpg backing up KP (we should be limiting his minutes anyway) and a few min on the court with KP.

At $20,000,000 a year? Thats the core of the trade, a back up stretch 4?
You ready to throw in the towel?


No, not just a backup. I see him as being as good as any 6th man of the year player even if he doesn't get the award. I'm not saying I'd sign him as an FA for that money or even do a straight-up trade involving Melo. It wouldn't be throwing in the towel. I'd see him as a key part of our future. I went into this much more earlier but he's a darn good player (best on/off #s on his team every year, great offensive impact, not as bad as his reputation on defense, etc.). For whatever reasons, his trade value has plummeted. It's the perfect time to buy low. I'm not interested in buying high (think Kyrie Irving). I'd rather be given assets to take an underrated player. If you look at our history, we're probably not going to get anything great in free agency with the salary Anderson would be taking up anyway in year 3. Would you rather have Ryan Anderson, Ariza/Capella/Llull, and 2 of Houston's first round picks or another Courtney Lee, Noah, Thomas, etc.

Not sure whats on the table besides Anderon. We don't need Reezy (age) and Capella is way too important to them. Llull blew his ACL and has 3 years on his contract.
Im not looking to rake in a big haul on Melo, but Knicks obviously not in love with Anderson.

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8/11/2017  2:50 PM
Anderson is better and younger than Melo and his salary is $6 million less. We could probably sign Noel with that extra money too. Qi, Hartenstein, 2 #1s plus sign Nerlens Noel.
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8/11/2017  2:53 PM
Nalod wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:I wouldn't be opposed to taking Anderson's contract if we got capela and the rights to lluli,and zhou qi

Anderson is not a bad back up 4 and I'm willing to role with Beasley,lance,kuz at the three

Capela can start with kp or be a great back up 5 I personally feel kp is ready to start at the 5 .

Getting a nice prospect in qi who will contribute in a few years.

But the prize is lulli the guy is the best pg playing outside the NBA right now. I'm sure going to a international city like NYC would make the NBA more appealing.


Lulli just blew his ACL and has a three year contract where he is.
Capella is great, but Rockets know this and need him.
ANderson is at 20mil a year is a lot to back up KP. Its not the player, its his age and money.

I'd view Anderson as more than just a backup. I think he'd be a 26 mpg 6th man. Maybe he gets 20 mpg backing up KP (we should be limiting his minutes anyway) and a few min on the court with KP.

At $20,000,000 a year? Thats the core of the trade, a back up stretch 4?
You ready to throw in the towel?


No, not just a backup. I see him as being as good as any 6th man of the year player even if he doesn't get the award. I'm not saying I'd sign him as an FA for that money or even do a straight-up trade involving Melo. It wouldn't be throwing in the towel. I'd see him as a key part of our future. I went into this much more earlier but he's a darn good player (best on/off #s on his team every year, great offensive impact, not as bad as his reputation on defense, etc.). For whatever reasons, his trade value has plummeted. It's the perfect time to buy low. I'm not interested in buying high (think Kyrie Irving). I'd rather be given assets to take an underrated player. If you look at our history, we're probably not going to get anything great in free agency with the salary Anderson would be taking up anyway in year 3. Would you rather have Ryan Anderson, Ariza/Capella/Llull, and 2 of Houston's first round picks or another Courtney Lee, Noah, Thomas, etc.

Not sure whats on the table besides Anderon. We don't need Reezy (age) and Capella is way too important to them. Llull blew his ACL and has 3 years on his contract.
Im not looking to rake in a big haul on Melo, but Knicks obviously not in love with Anderson.


Oh I didn't realize that about Llull. Ariza is a good player and a really valuable expiring contract. We could probably get a decent amount for him at the trade deadline.
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8/11/2017  2:54 PM
reub wrote:Anderson is better and younger than Melo and his salary is $6 million less. We could probably sign Noel with that extra money too. Qi, Hartenstein, 2 #1s plus sign Nerlens Noel.

Well, he played a lot better than Melo last year IMO. His salary is lower but the contract is longer.
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8/11/2017  2:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/11/2017  2:58 PM
reub wrote:Anderson is better and younger than Melo and his salary is $6 million less. We could probably sign Noel with that extra money too. Qi, Hartenstein, 2 #1s plus sign Nerlens Noel.

As always, that isn't how it works, you can only spend what you subtract if you're at or below the cap.

As is, with the room exception used on Baker, and the Beasley minimum deal, the Knicks are about $5m over the cap. Your trade wouldn't create any spendable cap space.

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8/11/2017  3:12 PM
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reub wrote:Anderson is better and younger than Melo and his salary is $6 million less. We could probably sign Noel with that extra money too. Qi, Hartenstein, 2 #1s plus sign Nerlens Noel.

Well, he played a lot better than Melo last year IMO. His salary is lower but the contract is longer.

At first I really hated any idea of Anderson... mostly because it just feels like such a lose having to take that deal. However Anderson is a good player. He's more one dimensional Houston than he's been in the past but that is more a result of his role. Also pretty much every metric says that role makes the team better in every way on both sides.

I would be open to a future heavy laden asset trade. Like Anderson and at least 2 future #1s with no protection. 2020 and 2022 unprotected #1s at the very least. CP3 and Melo are not young. Harden is so there is no telling where those picks are. However if the Rockets fail to retool when Melo/CP3 play drops those picks could be very valuable. Even if they are in the 20s there is still a chance of a deep draft.

Those years its likely our young guys are maxed out and we arent looking at cap space anytime soon. A pare of extra #1s could be huge to use as assets or just inject more talent around whatever core we have.

It would seem like some kind of a let down for most I think... but if FO feels like taking a loss on a Melo trade and moving on is better than dragging out drama (effect on team, moral, etc) there is some silver lining.

I just whatever they do its whats best for the Knicks first and last.

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8/11/2017  3:18 PM
I would tahe Anderson if they took noah
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8/11/2017  3:36 PM
knicks1248 wrote:I would tahe Anderson if they took noah

That just makes a deal harder not easier.

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8/11/2017  3:49 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:I would tahe Anderson if they took noah

That just makes a deal harder not easier.


Yeah, he has Houston throwing in a player our front office doesn't want and us throwing in a player they don't want. I don't see how that facilitates a trade!
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8/11/2017  8:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/11/2017  8:41 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
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knicks1248 wrote:I would tahe Anderson if they took noah

That just makes a deal harder not easier.


Yeah, he has Houston throwing in a player our front office doesn't want and us throwing in a player they don't want. I don't see how that facilitates a trade!

Easy. Those front office not wanting those players is "fake news". Houston is drooling over Noah, they are only trading for Melo as a cover approach to actually land Noah on the cheap. The Knicks are apparently locked in on Ryan Anderson, they are playing it cool so they can also get some lesser value like draft picks and such sh|t. It's Knicks1248 and the NBA the looking glass.

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8/11/2017  10:02 PM
i dont get why people brig up Capella there is zero chance Houston gives him up. If by some miracle he was included we would have to send Willy back
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8/11/2017  10:13 PM
thing is to be fair, DeMaRRe CaRRoLL cost Toronto 1 1st and 1 2nd to unload with 2years left at about 15m per year = 30m 2year, so Anderson is 3years 60m at 20m per year.....

so if NO ONE WANTS ANDERSON what should we be getting just to take his contract?

Then what is "FAIR" even for a 50cents to the Dollar for CA at this point?

Obviously, HOUSTON and other teams like Portland, would LOVE CA at a HUGE DISCOUNT but what is "fair" and the "HIGH and LOW of buying/selling at this point?

Would Houston's "projection be higher or lower than Toronto's" playing in the West with the projected rosters???

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8/11/2017  10:18 PM
Nalod wrote:Not sure whats on the table besides Anderson.

Ryan Anderson, some non guaranteed contract players who will be immediately waived and a heavily protected 1st round pick.

For the sake of "perception", the Rockets might throw in a "phantom 1st Round pick", i.e. a pick with so many conditions that it will essentially convert into two 2nd round picks in three years time.

If the franchises were REVERSED, would you want GM Morey to give up anything but the BARE MINIMUM required by current market forces to get Melo? This is where the Mirror Test is handy, some of you, based on your trade scenarios, would be furious of the franchises were reversed and the Knicks got Melo at the cost of Ariza, Capela and a couple of unprotected 1sts.

The same reasons you wouldn't want the trade if the situation were reversed is the EXACT SAME REASON WHY THE NON KNICKS TEAM WILL NOT MAKE THAT DEAL.

Morey is NOT going to blink. He's just going to wait the Knicks out. If they wont relent, he will move on and try to make a different trade elsewhere. Any trade is only possible with the Rockets with the inclusion of the NGCs in play, those will created a "forced hand" situation as the season starts. At some point, Morey will have to allot guaranteed money of some kind or cut the players himself.

Ryan Anderson, some NGC's, and a heavily protected 1st. That's about all the Knicks will get. Or get nothing.

The longer the Knicks wait, the increased chance Melo gets injured at some point and then they are stuck with him for two more years.

What this is costing the Knicks is Ryan Anderson should be integrating into the offense, his new team mates and the system in place. Delaying the inevitable only makes this harder for the Knicks.

Yes, Anderson is overpaid, but this is the best the Knicks will get. They have no leverage.

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8/11/2017  10:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/11/2017  10:21 PM
RonRon wrote:thing is to be fair, DeMaRRe CaRRoLL cost Toronto 1 1st and 1 2nd to unload with 2years left at about 15m per year = 30m 2year, so Anderson is 3years 60m at 20m per year.....

so if NO ONE WANTS ANDERSON what should we be getting just to take his contract?

Then what is "FAIR" even for a 50cents to the Dollar for CA at this point?

Obviously, HOUSTON and other teams like Portland, would LOVE CA at a HUGE DISCOUNT but what is "fair" and the "HIGH and LOW of buying/selling at this point?

Would Houston's "projection be higher or lower than Toronto's" playing in the West with the projected rosters???


If I remember correctly, Toronto actually unloaded a net total of about $30 mil, whereas Houston would be taking back more salary (but over 1 less year) than we would (if the deal were just Melo and Anderson).
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