Nalod wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I wouldn't be opposed to taking Anderson's contract if we got capela and the rights to lluli,and zhou qi

Anderson is not a bad back up 4 and I'm willing to role with Beasley,lance,kuz at the three

Capela can start with kp or be a great back up 5 I personally feel kp is ready to start at the 5 .

Getting a nice prospect in qi who will contribute in a few years.

But the prize is lulli the guy is the best pg playing outside the NBA right now. I'm sure going to a international city like NYC would make the NBA more appealing.

Lulli just blew his ACL and has a three year contract where he is.
Capella is great, but Rockets know this and need him.
ANderson is at 20mil a year is a lot to back up KP. Its not the player, its his age and money.

I'd view Anderson as more than just a backup. I think he'd be a 26 mpg 6th man. Maybe he gets 20 mpg backing up KP (we should be limiting his minutes anyway) and a few min on the court with KP.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I wouldn't be opposed to taking Anderson's contract if we got capela and the rights to lluli,and zhou qi

Anderson is not a bad back up 4 and I'm willing to role with Beasley,lance,kuz at the three

Capela can start with kp or be a great back up 5 I personally feel kp is ready to start at the 5 .

Getting a nice prospect in qi who will contribute in a few years.

But the prize is lulli the guy is the best pg playing outside the NBA right now. I'm sure going to a international city like NYC would make the NBA more appealing.

Lulli just blew his ACL and has a three year contract where he is.
Capella is great, but Rockets know this and need him.
ANderson is at 20mil a year is a lot to back up KP. Its not the player, its his age and money.

I'd view Anderson as more than just a backup. I think he'd be a 26 mpg 6th man. Maybe he gets 20 mpg backing up KP (we should be limiting his minutes anyway) and a few min on the court with KP.

At $20,000,000 a year? Thats the core of the trade, a back up stretch 4?
You ready to throw in the towel?

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I wouldn't be opposed to taking Anderson's contract if we got capela and the rights to lluli,and zhou qi

Anderson is not a bad back up 4 and I'm willing to role with Beasley,lance,kuz at the three

Capela can start with kp or be a great back up 5 I personally feel kp is ready to start at the 5 .

Getting a nice prospect in qi who will contribute in a few years.

But the prize is lulli the guy is the best pg playing outside the NBA right now. I'm sure going to a international city like NYC would make the NBA more appealing.

Lulli just blew his ACL and has a three year contract where he is.
Capella is great, but Rockets know this and need him.
ANderson is at 20mil a year is a lot to back up KP. Its not the player, its his age and money.

I'd view Anderson as more than just a backup. I think he'd be a 26 mpg 6th man. Maybe he gets 20 mpg backing up KP (we should be limiting his minutes anyway) and a few min on the court with KP.

At $20,000,000 a year? Thats the core of the trade, a back up stretch 4?
You ready to throw in the towel?

No, not just a backup. I see him as being as good as any 6th man of the year player even if he doesn't get the award. I'm not saying I'd sign him as an FA for that money or even do a straight-up trade involving Melo. It wouldn't be throwing in the towel. I'd see him as a key part of our future. I went into this much more earlier but he's a darn good player (best on/off #s on his team every year, great offensive impact, not as bad as his reputation on defense, etc.). For whatever reasons, his trade value has plummeted. It's the perfect time to buy low. I'm not interested in buying high (think Kyrie Irving). I'd rather be given assets to take an underrated player. If you look at our history, we're probably not going to get anything great in free agency with the salary Anderson would be taking up anyway in year 3. Would you rather have Ryan Anderson, Ariza/Capella/Llull, and 2 of Houston's first round picks or another Courtney Lee, Noah, Thomas, etc.

Not sure whats on the table besides Anderon. We don't need Reezy (age) and Capella is way too important to them. Llull blew his ACL and has 3 years on his contract.
Im not looking to rake in a big haul on Melo, but Knicks obviously not in love with Anderson.

Nalod wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I wouldn't be opposed to taking Anderson's contract if we got capela and the rights to lluli,and zhou qi

Anderson is not a bad back up 4 and I'm willing to role with Beasley,lance,kuz at the three

Capela can start with kp or be a great back up 5 I personally feel kp is ready to start at the 5 .

Getting a nice prospect in qi who will contribute in a few years.

But the prize is lulli the guy is the best pg playing outside the NBA right now. I'm sure going to a international city like NYC would make the NBA more appealing.

Lulli just blew his ACL and has a three year contract where he is.
Capella is great, but Rockets know this and need him.
ANderson is at 20mil a year is a lot to back up KP. Its not the player, its his age and money.

I'd view Anderson as more than just a backup. I think he'd be a 26 mpg 6th man. Maybe he gets 20 mpg backing up KP (we should be limiting his minutes anyway) and a few min on the court with KP.

At $20,000,000 a year? Thats the core of the trade, a back up stretch 4?
You ready to throw in the towel?

No, not just a backup. I see him as being as good as any 6th man of the year player even if he doesn't get the award. I'm not saying I'd sign him as an FA for that money or even do a straight-up trade involving Melo. It wouldn't be throwing in the towel. I'd see him as a key part of our future. I went into this much more earlier but he's a darn good player (best on/off #s on his team every year, great offensive impact, not as bad as his reputation on defense, etc.). For whatever reasons, his trade value has plummeted. It's the perfect time to buy low. I'm not interested in buying high (think Kyrie Irving). I'd rather be given assets to take an underrated player. If you look at our history, we're probably not going to get anything great in free agency with the salary Anderson would be taking up anyway in year 3. Would you rather have Ryan Anderson, Ariza/Capella/Llull, and 2 of Houston's first round picks or another Courtney Lee, Noah, Thomas, etc.

Not sure whats on the table besides Anderon. We don't need Reezy (age) and Capella is way too important to them. Llull blew his ACL and has 3 years on his contract.
Im not looking to rake in a big haul on Melo, but Knicks obviously not in love with Anderson.

reub wrote:Anderson is better and younger than Melo and his salary is $6 million less. We could probably sign Noel with that extra money too. Qi, Hartenstein, 2 #1s plus sign Nerlens Noel.

As always, that isn't how it works, you can only spend what you subtract if you're at or below the cap.

As is, with the room exception used on Baker, and the Beasley minimum deal, the Knicks are about $5m over the cap. Your trade wouldn't create any spendable cap space.

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I would tahe Anderson if they took noah

That just makes a deal harder not easier.

Nalod wrote:Not sure whats on the table besides Anderson.

Ryan Anderson, some non guaranteed contract players who will be immediately waived and a heavily protected 1st round pick.

For the sake of "perception", the Rockets might throw in a "phantom 1st Round pick", i.e. a pick with so many conditions that it will essentially convert into two 2nd round picks in three years time.

If the franchises were REVERSED, would you want GM Morey to give up anything but the BARE MINIMUM required by current market forces to get Melo? This is where the Mirror Test is handy, some of you, based on your trade scenarios, would be furious of the franchises were reversed and the Knicks got Melo at the cost of Ariza, Capela and a couple of unprotected 1sts.

The same reasons you wouldn't want the trade if the situation were reversed is the EXACT SAME REASON WHY THE NON KNICKS TEAM WILL NOT MAKE THAT DEAL.

Morey is NOT going to blink. He's just going to wait the Knicks out. If they wont relent, he will move on and try to make a different trade elsewhere. Any trade is only possible with the Rockets with the inclusion of the NGCs in play, those will created a "forced hand" situation as the season starts. At some point, Morey will have to allot guaranteed money of some kind or cut the players himself.

Ryan Anderson, some NGC's, and a heavily protected 1st. That's about all the Knicks will get. Or get nothing.

The longer the Knicks wait, the increased chance Melo gets injured at some point and then they are stuck with him for two more years.

What this is costing the Knicks is Ryan Anderson should be integrating into the offense, his new team mates and the system in place. Delaying the inevitable only makes this harder for the Knicks.

Yes, Anderson is overpaid, but this is the best the Knicks will get. They have no leverage.