HofstraBBall wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I just hope whomever we get has some value to the Cavs.
The Rockets talent that has value with the Cavs should be what we should target.

Flip the Rockets trade return, a protected future first rounder, to Cavs for Irving.

The only shot Knicks had/have is with Melo. Lbj has already said he wants him on the team. What makes you think he would push for anyone, the Rickets, dump on us?

Cavs have no reason to trade him this year. Therefore, it would take a lopsided deal, in their favor, for them to agree to a trade anytime soon. . Think Knicks need to stay away and keep hoping Lebron eventually demands Kyrie gets traded for Melo. Also, rumor is, Melo would only waive NTC if Irving was still on Cavs. Kinda tells us Lebron's intentions after this year.

Where is Melo going to want to play next year?

Team 1
Love
James
Melo
Lee
Rose
Bench: Thompson, Frye, Smith and Deron Williams.

Team 2
Hernangomez
Porzingis
Melo
Hardaay
Baker
Bench: O'Quinn, Thomas, Lee, Ntilikina.

I get the feeling the choice would be rather easy for Melo.
If Lebron leaves CLE, Melo could opt out and go sign with him on the Lakers or go sign with the Rockets next year. Melo also has an opt out.

On the Knicks, he will struggle to get to 35 wins and be blamed quite a bit now that Phil Jackson is out of the picture. Without Phil, the media needs a new target and it will become Melo, pretty fast. Especially if Melo refuses to make trades that help the Knicks. On the Cavs he has a straight path to the NBA finals.

NBA finals, playing with Lebron vs be the odd man out on a 30 win Knicks team that is rebuilding.

With or without Kyrie, I see him taking the CLE offer if Houston is told they can not get Melo. There's no way I see Melo choose Knicks over Cavs. Even if Lebron is leaving in a year, it's a run to the NBA finals where anything can happen in the Finals and a real shot at a ring and changing your standing as a player, legacy wise. Can't see Melo passing that up. He has an opt out just like Bron.

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OKC has nothing to center a deal around.

Neither do the Rockets.

There's a deal to be had with OKC way before Houston. Obviously it starts with Kanter. Not a great player but he can score off the bench. Jerami Grant is the guy i want. He fits the long, athletic defender mold and improved as a shooter and is only 23. He is the same as getting Harkless, whom everyone wants. They drafted Ferguson late first round, who is a good option. Kanter, Grant, Ferguson, and McDermott for Melo. 4 players 25 years and under who all fit a role to some extent.

We're doing them a favor taking on kanter and his salary, I'd expect at least a 1st rounder, preferably 2

We can demand a pick too. Whatever works. Kanter is 4 years younger than Ryan Anderson, a better player, and on a contract the expires a year earlier. He's not a burden like Anderson. I want Grant as part of any deal. He fits exactly what we needed as a combo forward who is athletic, can defend, is improving as a shooter, and is only 23.

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OKC has nothing to center a deal around.

Neither do the Rockets.

There's a deal to be had with OKC way before Houston. Obviously it starts with Kanter. Not a great player but he can score off the bench. Jerami Grant is the guy i want. He fits the long, athletic defender mold and improved as a shooter and is only 23. He is the same as getting Harkless, whom everyone wants. They drafted Ferguson late first round, who is a good option. Kanter, Grant, Ferguson, and McDermott for Melo. 4 players 25 years and under who all fit a role to some extent.

Yeah - that is a decent package.

I'd like to try this option.

We add in Melo/Lance/KOQ (Lance is well thought of in OKC and KOQ is redundant for us with Kanter -- throw him in and add in more youth).

We add Kanter/Abrines/McDermott/Grant/Heustis/Ferguson -- I value Abrines/Grant/Ferguson and potentially Heustis all over McDermott.

nyknickzingis wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I just hope whomever we get has some value to the Cavs.
The Rockets talent that has value with the Cavs should be what we should target.

Flip the Rockets trade return, a protected future first rounder, to Cavs for Irving.

The only shot Knicks had/have is with Melo. Lbj has already said he wants him on the team. What makes you think he would push for anyone, the Rickets, dump on us?

Cavs have no reason to trade him this year. Therefore, it would take a lopsided deal, in their favor, for them to agree to a trade anytime soon. . Think Knicks need to stay away and keep hoping Lebron eventually demands Kyrie gets traded for Melo. Also, rumor is, Melo would only waive NTC if Irving was still on Cavs. Kinda tells us Lebron's intentions after this year.

Cleveland is about to sign Rose.

Where is Melo going to want to play next year?

Team 1
Love
James
Melo
Lee
Rose
Bench: Thompson, Frye, Smith and Deron Williams.

Team 2
Hernangomez
Porzingis
Melo
Hardaay
Baker
Bench: O'Quinn, Thomas, Lee, Ntilikina.

I get the feeling the choice would be rather easy for Melo.
If Lebron leaves CLE, Melo could opt out and go sign with him on the Lakers or go sign with the Rockets next year. Melo also has an opt out.

On the Knicks, he will struggle to get to 35 wins and be blamed quite a bit now that Phil Jackson is out of the picture. Without Phil, the media needs a new target and it will become Melo, pretty fast. Especially if Melo refuses to make trades that help the Knicks. On the Cavs he has a straight path to the NBA finals.

NBA finals, playing with Lebron vs be the odd man out on a 30 win Knicks team that is rebuilding.

With or without Kyrie, I see him taking the CLE offer if Houston is told they can not get Melo. There's no way I see Melo choose Knicks over Cavs. Even if Lebron is leaving in a year, it's a run to the NBA finals where anything can happen in the Finals and a real shot at a ring and changing your standing as a player, legacy wise. Can't see Melo passing that up. He has an opt out just like Bron.

nyknickzingis wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I just hope whomever we get has some value to the Cavs.
The Rockets talent that has value with the Cavs should be what we should target.

Flip the Rockets trade return, a protected future first rounder, to Cavs for Irving.

The only shot Knicks had/have is with Melo. Lbj has already said he wants him on the team. What makes you think he would push for anyone, the Rickets, dump on us?

Cavs have no reason to trade him this year. Therefore, it would take a lopsided deal, in their favor, for them to agree to a trade anytime soon. . Think Knicks need to stay away and keep hoping Lebron eventually demands Kyrie gets traded for Melo. Also, rumor is, Melo would only waive NTC if Irving was still on Cavs. Kinda tells us Lebron's intentions after this year.

Cleveland is about to sign Rose.

Where is Melo going to want to play next year?

Team 1
Love
James
Melo
Lee
Rose
Bench: Thompson, Frye, Smith and Deron Williams.

Team 2
Hernangomez
Porzingis
Melo
Hardaay
Baker
Bench: O'Quinn, Thomas, Lee, Ntilikina.

I get the feeling the choice would be rather easy for Melo.
If Lebron leaves CLE, Melo could opt out and go sign with him on the Lakers or go sign with the Rockets next year. Melo also has an opt out.

On the Knicks, he will struggle to get to 35 wins and be blamed quite a bit now that Phil Jackson is out of the picture. Without Phil, the media needs a new target and it will become Melo, pretty fast. Especially if Melo refuses to make trades that help the Knicks. On the Cavs he has a straight path to the NBA finals.

NBA finals, playing with Lebron vs be the odd man out on a 30 win Knicks team that is rebuilding.

With or without Kyrie, I see him taking the CLE offer if Houston is told they can not get Melo. There's no way I see Melo choose Knicks over Cavs. Even if Lebron is leaving in a year, it's a run to the NBA finals where anything can happen in the Finals and a real shot at a ring and changing your standing as a player, legacy wise. Can't see Melo passing that up. He has an opt out just like Bron.

Good point. Possibly Melonstaying firm with first choice, in Rockets. Will be interesting to see who/What breaks first.

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Knixkik wrote:

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CrushAlot wrote:

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OKC has nothing to center a deal around.

Neither do the Rockets.

There's a deal to be had with OKC way before Houston. Obviously it starts with Kanter. Not a great player but he can score off the bench. Jerami Grant is the guy i want. He fits the long, athletic defender mold and improved as a shooter and is only 23. He is the same as getting Harkless, whom everyone wants. They drafted Ferguson late first round, who is a good option. Kanter, Grant, Ferguson, and McDermott for Melo. 4 players 25 years and under who all fit a role to some extent.

We're doing them a favor taking on kanter and his salary, I'd expect at least a 1st rounder, preferably 2

He can opt out next year (may be an expiring for us) and if NOT he is only a 2-year deal for a guy who scores very easily around the basket and is only 25. He is a movable piece and is needed to make deal work / get our hands on some younger pieces.

If he was a moveable piece, okc would have moved him

reub wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I just hope whomever we get has some value to the Cavs.
The Rockets talent that has value with the Cavs should be what we should target.

Flip the Rockets trade return, a protected future first rounder, to Cavs for Irving.

The only shot Knicks had/have is with Melo. Lbj has already said he wants him on the team. What makes you think he would push for anyone, the Rickets, dump on us?

Cavs have no reason to trade him this year. Therefore, it would take a lopsided deal, in their favor, for them to agree to a trade anytime soon. . Think Knicks need to stay away and keep hoping Lebron eventually demands Kyrie gets traded for Melo. Also, rumor is, Melo would only waive NTC if Irving was still on Cavs. Kinda tells us Lebron's intentions after this year.

Cleveland is about to sign Rose.

Where is Melo going to want to play next year?

Team 1
Love
James
Melo
Lee
Rose
Bench: Thompson, Frye, Smith and Deron Williams.

Team 2
Hernangomez
Porzingis
Melo
Hardaay
Baker
Bench: O'Quinn, Thomas, Lee, Ntilikina.

I get the feeling the choice would be rather easy for Melo.
If Lebron leaves CLE, Melo could opt out and go sign with him on the Lakers or go sign with the Rockets next year. Melo also has an opt out.

On the Knicks, he will struggle to get to 35 wins and be blamed quite a bit now that Phil Jackson is out of the picture. Without Phil, the media needs a new target and it will become Melo, pretty fast. Especially if Melo refuses to make trades that help the Knicks. On the Cavs he has a straight path to the NBA finals.

NBA finals, playing with Lebron vs be the odd man out on a 30 win Knicks team that is rebuilding.

With or without Kyrie, I see him taking the CLE offer if Houston is told they can not get Melo. There's no way I see Melo choose Knicks over Cavs. Even if Lebron is leaving in a year, it's a run to the NBA finals where anything can happen in the Finals and a real shot at a ring and changing your standing as a player, legacy wise. Can't see Melo passing that up. He has an opt out just like Bron.

I think that Ntilikina starts for us from day one.

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

reub wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I just hope whomever we get has some value to the Cavs.
The Rockets talent that has value with the Cavs should be what we should target.

Flip the Rockets trade return, a protected future first rounder, to Cavs for Irving.

The only shot Knicks had/have is with Melo. Lbj has already said he wants him on the team. What makes you think he would push for anyone, the Rickets, dump on us?

Cavs have no reason to trade him this year. Therefore, it would take a lopsided deal, in their favor, for them to agree to a trade anytime soon. . Think Knicks need to stay away and keep hoping Lebron eventually demands Kyrie gets traded for Melo. Also, rumor is, Melo would only waive NTC if Irving was still on Cavs. Kinda tells us Lebron's intentions after this year.

Cleveland is about to sign Rose.

Where is Melo going to want to play next year?

Team 1
Love
James
Melo
Lee
Rose
Bench: Thompson, Frye, Smith and Deron Williams.

Team 2
Hernangomez
Porzingis
Melo
Hardaay
Baker
Bench: O'Quinn, Thomas, Lee, Ntilikina.

I get the feeling the choice would be rather easy for Melo.
If Lebron leaves CLE, Melo could opt out and go sign with him on the Lakers or go sign with the Rockets next year. Melo also has an opt out.

On the Knicks, he will struggle to get to 35 wins and be blamed quite a bit now that Phil Jackson is out of the picture. Without Phil, the media needs a new target and it will become Melo, pretty fast. Especially if Melo refuses to make trades that help the Knicks. On the Cavs he has a straight path to the NBA finals.

NBA finals, playing with Lebron vs be the odd man out on a 30 win Knicks team that is rebuilding.

With or without Kyrie, I see him taking the CLE offer if Houston is told they can not get Melo. There's no way I see Melo choose Knicks over Cavs. Even if Lebron is leaving in a year, it's a run to the NBA finals where anything can happen in the Finals and a real shot at a ring and changing your standing as a player, legacy wise. Can't see Melo passing that up. He has an opt out just like Bron.

I think that Ntilikina starts for us from day one.

doesn't mean he will make it through a full season, a bruised knee had him on the shelf for 2 wks

Is that accurate? Or did the Knicks staff see zero point in pushing an young prospect into summer league action? I mean way to spin something.

The guy played more minutes of basketball than probably the top 5 picks put together last year. He also had just finished playing in the playoffs against grown men. He's a great talent and would be beginning next season as a college freshman if he played here. Don't be a hater.

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