Sinix wrote:There's a starbury and Isiah Thomas feel to this Knicks team that makes me very sad that we have come full circle.

Really? How so?

Andrew wrote:

Sinix wrote:There's a starbury and Isiah Thomas feel to this Knicks team that makes me very sad that we have come full circle.

Really? How so?

A collection of talented players void of leadership to put it together.

Most of the pieces on the Isiah teams went on to great careers.

Just like Melo could of had a great career and been an all time great if he had a coach that held him accountable.

Instead we have players like Melo who hold management accountable and get them fired.

That's why there's never any cultural change since back when Isiah was running the show.

You either have spineless jellyfishes like Mills who are yes men for Dolan or you have a guy like Phil who tries to bring meaningful change and gets fired by a guy like Melo who resists.

The Cavs actually have a similar problem. They had enough cap space to bring Lebron and friends in for a few years but they had to be really lucky to be in that position and now they are set up for a really hard fall when Lebron leaves. And that's because they don't have a culture. They have a void of culture where Lebron can just walk in, run the show, make them spend hundreds of millions in luxury bad signings, then leave them high and dry.

Compare this to some place like Miami where there is firm leadership and a system in place. The president, coach and management have always looked like they were on the same page to me.

They lost Bosh, Wade and Lebron in a rough fashion and they are right back on their feet. That's because Riley doesn't let these divas make or break him. He knows how to be a boss and a leader.

CrushAlot wrote:

Rookie wrote:The Knicks have used the resources that they have - draft picks/un drafted FA's/cap space - and haven't given away any assets.

They have a direction - get younger/improve the team/build a core for the future.

To me, we have a plan and a direction and we are sticking to it.

We still have a few moves to make - move Lee/move Melo - but if neither are moved, does it really hurt the team?

Noah's contract is un movable, but he could prove to be a good veteran leader for our youth movement.

O'Quinn is still young and on a good contract, I don't see a need to move him, he fits right in with the direction we are headed in

Thomas fills the roll of a good veteran leader on a good contract.

Everything I see that we have done this season leads me to believe that we have a direction and a plan and we are implementing that plan.

Also, agree the above is a factor. We are rebuilding, not tanking. I think a lot were expecting the tank and are being critical of the rebuild.

Well said.

Ha! I have my moments

One last thought. THJ didn't seem to be on anybody's radar until his dad showed up at a SL game (the last game vs Miami?) and said his son would be open to returning to the Knicks. The Knicks reacted immediately and got THJ signed to an offer sheet. To me, that is good management. You see an opportunity and react to it. Before that, I didn't see any reports of a FA or RFA saying they would be open to joining the Knicks. The reports were more like, "the Knicks have been in contact with..."

Andrew wrote:This is my opinion on what is happening with the Knicks, and to me its all about KP and what he wants and not so much about Melo. If KP was happy with the direction under Phil, I think Phil would still be here, but that relationship seemed at an impasse and so Phil had to go. KP seems like he wants to be more of the focal point, and that is OK...the Knicks should probably move in that direction. I think JP also wants to be on a team that wins....and that is why he was upset with the Melo situation. Put pieces in place where he can see a chance to win over the next 2 years and he stays. Tear it down completely and suck for 2 years and I think he leaves.

Knicks are going to have to balance the youth movement with at least a decent amount of wins, or at least convince KP that he the organization is heading in the right direction.

Thoughts?

Of course. What player, regardless of experience, wants to be of a losing situation?

And lets say he would have been down with that whole "trust the process" crap...after witnessing Phil turn on Melo and making him the scapegoat for everything wrong with the Knicks, why would he want to part of that knowing that once Melo leaves he is next in line to be criticized for every single thing by Phil?

It has mentioned here numerous times...A full rebuild will never work in NY. Knicks have to try and find a balance

Sinix wrote:I feel like if I had a conversation with Dolan I could probably get a huge contract as a moderately athletic 30 year old white guy w/ no basketball experience passed high school.

I think the secret is telling Dolan how much you like his sh-tty jazz band.

Its a blues band.

reub wrote:#bringbackPhil

#bringbackChecketts

If we move Lee for a pick or good prospect I will start believing

We acquire 25 yr old Timmay. Then we trade 32 yr old Lee for Okafor or for a good young point guard. Then we trade Melo and get back Hartenstein, Harkless, Leonard and a #1. We just got much younger and have a core of about 8 guys who are good to great and under age 25 and we have extra draft picks going forward. Done!