We had optimism entering this off season. It looked like Melo's reign of terror was over and we were going to turn the page with Phil's guys. If KP was going to be a problem, we were going to replace him with equal talent and Phil-guys.

What are we stuck with now?

A huge leadership void. No direction that we know about.
A team where the players feel comfortable pushing management for their own personal agenda. Lots of divas.
Bloated contracts that will make it so the Knicks can't make meaningful moves for years.
And the kicker, a team that's not even talented enough to make the playoffs even though we are spending like one.

There's a massive talent void and a massive cultural void and right now I don't see how either of them are going to be fixed.

We were maybe 1 or 2 years away from being in position to compete with Phil, now I see limbo for at least 3-4 years and at the end of that it's likely the Knicks are still going to be just a bad.

This is a real dark time for the Knicks.

nixluva wrote:NOPE! I don't see that. Knicks are building around some LEGIT young talent. These kids are going to get better and they're going to bond together and give Max Effort. All this team is doing is adding younger talent. ALL Knicks fans should be happy this team is building towards the future with our own players.

Just like when the Knicks put a young Marbury, Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph and David Lee together.

All young and epically talented. How did this turn out.

This Knicks team is the same exact thing and I'm wouldn't be surprised if it's Isiah Thomas created as well. Putting young players together just for the sake of them being young doesn't work. Especially when you have melo poisoning the well and Dolan up top.

Sinix wrote:I'm convinced a lot of posters here weren't around for that youthful team Isiah originally brought in. This team follows the same exact outline.

Seems like our youth have good character and work ethic and talent. We own our future draft picks. Players like KP, Willy Frank and even THJ have plenty of upside. No similarity at all as far as I can see. What were your expectations for this season?

Are you upset because we didn't draft Smith or Monk? That we didn't make a big FA signing? That we didn't use future draft picks to make a big trade? Or is it just the THJ dollars that pushed you over the edge?

Rookie wrote:

Sinix wrote:I'm convinced a lot of posters here weren't around for that youthful team Isiah originally brought in. This team follows the same exact outline.

Seems like our youth have good character and work ethic and talent. We own our future draft picks. Players like KP, Willy Frank and even THJ have plenty of upside. No similarity at all as far as I can see. What were your expectations for this season?

Are you upset because we didn't draft Smith or Monk? That we didn't make a big FA signing? That we didn't use future draft picks to make a big trade? Or is it just the THJ dollars that pushed you over the edge?

What benefit to this contract? I would rather have payroll flexibility than this. Make a competitive team give me an asset to take on this contract. You are over paying for like 62 minutes of decent performance. THJ can disprove me by performance, but it is a bad management decision.

Sinix wrote:

Rookie wrote:

Sinix wrote:I'm convinced a lot of posters here weren't around for that youthful team Isiah originally brought in. This team follows the same exact outline.

Seems like our youth have good character and work ethic and talent. We own our future draft picks. Players like KP, Willy Frank and even THJ have plenty of upside. No similarity at all as far as I can see. What were your expectations for this season?

Are you upset because we didn't draft Smith or Monk? That we didn't make a big FA signing? That we didn't use future draft picks to make a big trade? Or is it just the THJ dollars that pushed you over the edge?

If Phil wasn't fired I was expecting a team with pretty clear books, lots of young rookies that play team ball and putting us in line to get a top 5 pick coming up and cap space to make moves next year or the year after.

What I see now is a bloated treadmill team that is not set up to play a team oriented style, cap space tied up for years and the kicker being the Knicks aren't even talented enough for an 8 seed. And no end in sight for this limbo. I see a series of disappointing seasons coming up with a flat lined trajectory and KP ultimately leaving for nothing.

This is mostly going to be about internal growth. No Banana Boat or Super Friends are coming to save this team.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Rookie wrote:

Sinix wrote:I'm convinced a lot of posters here weren't around for that youthful team Isiah originally brought in. This team follows the same exact outline.

Seems like our youth have good character and work ethic and talent. We own our future draft picks. Players like KP, Willy Frank and even THJ have plenty of upside. No similarity at all as far as I can see. What were your expectations for this season?

Are you upset because we didn't draft Smith or Monk? That we didn't make a big FA signing? That we didn't use future draft picks to make a big trade? Or is it just the THJ dollars that pushed you over the edge?

What benefit to this contract? I would rather have payroll flexibility than this. Make a competitive team give me an asset to take on this contract. You are over paying for like 62 minutes of decent performance. THJ can disprove me by performance, but it is a bad management decision.

To bad THJ is going to be under a microscope because of the size of his contract. It really takes the fun out of just being a fan and enjoying your favorite team when you get into critiquing the management of the team that deeply. I reached my breaking point 2 years ago. Now, I have much more enjoyment not being super critical and just trying to enjoy the team we have. Just like this message board, some times it is fun, but when it gets negative and every thread is pages of guys arguing and just log off for awhile.