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KNICKS NEED TO HIRE A GM/PRES ASAP
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BigRedDog
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7/7/2017  12:29 PM
Knicks (Dolan) have no f'in clue how to run a franchise. I know its not breaking news but as a fan this really sucks. Mills seems like a nice guy but he is NOT a "basketball" guy. He is a money man. A team needs money men but not running the franchise. Look at the Jets with Izick. He was a salary cap guy who was asked to run the Jets. They ended up with one of the worst draft classes ever. Whats the plan? Whats his vision? Only a real basketball guy can look out at his team and the NBA and have a plan. Wheres Eddie Donavan??? We just can't add guys, fuking up the salary cap and not know what his vision is. You can't have Mills add people and then someone else comes in and his vision is different.
Its like going shopping to cook dinner without a chef . You just walk around and buy things at random. I like shrimp, that chicken looks good, lets get some burgers. You get home and whats for dinner? Wheres the side dishes, salad, spices? Not really thought out. A sheet show. Hire a basketball guy/ gm before the sheet show gets worse. The Hardaway signing is the start.I know he looks like he improved somewhat but just seems like an arbitrary signing for a heck of a lot of money. Does our next GM even like this guy?? Just when you hope for a future with this team they just muck everything up again.
fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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7/7/2017  1:03 PM
And a mathematician.
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7/7/2017  1:04 PM
BigRedDog wrote:Knicks (Dolan) have no f'in clue how to run a franchise. I know its not breaking news but as a fan this really sucks. Mills seems like a nice guy but he is NOT a "basketball" guy. He is a money man. A team needs money men but not running the franchise. Look at the Jets with Izick. He was a salary cap guy who was asked to run the Jets. They ended up with one of the worst draft classes ever. Whats the plan? Whats his vision? Only a real basketball guy can look out at his team and the NBA and have a plan. Wheres Eddie Donavan??? We just can't add guys, fuking up the salary cap and not know what his vision is. You can't have Mills add people and then someone else comes in and his vision is different.
Its like going shopping to cook dinner without a chef . You just walk around and buy things at random. I like shrimp, that chicken looks good, lets get some burgers. You get home and whats for dinner? Wheres the side dishes, salad, spices? Not really thought out. A sheet show. Hire a basketball guy/ gm before the sheet show gets worse. The Hardaway signing is the start.I know he looks like he improved somewhat but just seems like an arbitrary signing for a heck of a lot of money. Does our next GM even like this guy?? Just when you hope for a future with this team they just muck everything up again.

I am not blaming Dolan. The Rangers are doing fine.

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7/7/2017  1:14 PM
Knicks have a GM! They had him all along. Mills is doing what he's always been doing only now minus Phil's Input and final decision. I really don't think the Media and Fans in general realize that this franchise has an entire staff still in place that did most of the heavy lifting anyway. Phil was more of a guiding principles guy. He wasn't working the phones and crunching numbers.

The Knicks FO has been preparing for this offseason for months. They already had some ideas on a direction established. Minus Phil they just needed a meeting to reassess and move forward.

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7/7/2017  1:23 PM
Knicks have no leadership and direction and it's shown for the last 30 years. We've had collections of individually talented players that never put together on a team level. That's clearly a management problem.

We had a guy who was in the process of bringing leadership and accountability but the holdovers from the previous regime nixed the culture change. Dolan who said he wasn't going to meddle ended up meddling. And we are back at square one.

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7/7/2017  1:26 PM
Eddie Donovan!!!

I forogot his awful coaching record but he was the man when he became GM!!!
Good read...

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/21/sports/eddie-donovan-architect-of-storied-knicks-dies-at-78.html

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7/7/2017  1:31 PM
Sinix wrote:Knicks have no leadership and direction and it's shown for the last 30 years. We've had collections of individually talented players that never put together on a team level. That's clearly a management problem.

We had a guy who was in the process of bringing leadership and accountability but the holdovers from the previous regime nixed the culture change. Dolan who said he wasn't going to meddle ended up meddling. And we are back at square one.

The New Core of the team is pretty much in place. KP, Willy, Nitty, THJ if they don't match, Dotson, Baker... Gotta wait and see who else is brought in via trade perhaps. Gotta start somewhere and build it from there. It's a logical start to a team.

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7/7/2017  1:34 PM
I am not a big fan of Mills. But I do think a gm needs to have a vision and build his team with that in mind. Mills stated goal is to get younger. Hardaway fits with that. Waiving Plumlee and Ndour was for cap reasons but it also is a step away from the high character, low upside guys that will conform with Phil/Rambis. Probably too much money for Tim but there is something to be said about going for it if you like a player.
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7/7/2017  3:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/7/2017  4:00 PM
This is why I wanted Phil to clean house when he got here, and put in the best people he could find. When Phil for whatever reason left, there would be enough talented people in the front office to keep the Knicks on course.

Dolan keeping Mills as GM shows once again that he doesn't give a ****, as long as the money is rolling in.

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7/7/2017  4:59 PM
GustavBahler wrote:This is why I wanted Phil to clean house when he got here, and put in the best people he could find. When Phil for whatever reason left, there would be enough talented people in the front office to keep the Knicks on course.

Dolan keeping Mills as GM shows once again that he doesn't give a ****, as long as the money is rolling in.

Exactly. Mills is a money man. He has NO experience acquiring talent and building a team. He isnt a basketball guy. Keeping Mills as your basketball decision guy is just setting back this franchise for years. Overpaying for Hardaway is a desperation move at this time. This is so crazy letting Mills sign players without knowing who and what your front office will be. Don't you people see how bad this is for the future of the Knicks???

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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7/8/2017  1:03 AM
I am speakless about the hardaway signing. No one in the league was giving that guy $71 mil. He is not worth overpaying for. So the team kills itself signing a guy at a position that we already had two good options. They better have a good trade lined up for Lee.
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7/8/2017  1:18 AM
I don't think we will have a prez. If we had, it would be Mills. He signed and cut players like he was in full control. It seems he doesn't care who new gm will be because he knows he is the guy calling the shot from now on.
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7/8/2017  4:14 AM
Typical Knick fans, demand Phil's immediate firing without having any forethought about what happens next, then complain when what happens next happens.
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7/8/2017  8:53 AM
Knicks are not deviating much from the plan they had. That is in place to get younger and keep going. What is gone with Phil is purity of triangle directive, reboot with KP on exit miss, and Melo likely traded instead of impatiently bought out.
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7/8/2017  9:19 AM
smackeddog wrote:Typical Knick fans, demand Phil's immediate firing without having any forethought about what happens next, then complain when what happens next happens.

Yup yup

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7/8/2017  9:42 AM
Nalod wrote:Knicks are not deviating much from the plan they had. That is in place to get younger and keep going. What is gone with Phil is purity of triangle directive, reboot with KP on exit miss, and Melo likely traded instead of impatiently bought out.
This. I thought this was interesting from Berman's article today.
“Tim’s not Phil’s type of player,’’ one NBA source who has spoken to Knicks brass told The Post.

Young, long and athletic. The Knicks’ primary goal next season is growing their young core, more so than snatching the No. 8 playoff seed. If it means having a nice spot in the lottery for Missouri’s Michael Porter Jr., so be it.

According to an NBA source, the Knicks want to build their team around prospects Kristaps Porzingis, new point guard Frank Ntilikina, center Willy Hernangomez and the 6-foot-6 Hardaway — if Atlanta does not match the generous offer sheet by Saturday night.

That’s three Europeans and a Michigan alum Knicks scouts fell in love with in 2013. The Knicks drafted him 24th before Jackson arrived to clean house with the coaching staff and roster. Nevertheless, the Knicks scouts are still here — Allan Houston, who has Mills’ ear, Mark Hughes, Mark Warkentien, Walker Russell, Jamie Matthews.


http://nypost.com/2017/07/08/tim-hardaway-move-proves-steve-mills-isnt-phil-jackson/

Did most of the Knick brass still like Hardaway when he was traded or do they like him now that he has developed? In the end Phil only had Rambis and Gaines in the organization as his cronies from past successes. I wonder if there was some push to move on from Phil in house. Begley has reported that some in the organization were urging Dolan to move on from Phil.

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7/8/2017  9:53 AM
smackeddog wrote:Typical Knick fans, demand Phil's immediate firing without having any forethought about what happens next, then complain when what happens next happens.

How many people here does that describe? Few if any.

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7/8/2017  10:11 AM
mlby1215 wrote:I don't think we will have a prez. If we had, it would be Mills. He signed and cut players like he was in full control. It seems he doesn't care who new gm will be because he knows he is the guy calling the shot from now on.

Someone has to run things. Ndour and Plumlee had team friendly deals that allowed them to be cut if the team needed cap space. I do agree that the Hardaway signing indicates Mills is building the team based on his philosophies and not Phil's. The contract he gave out also will be restrictive for the next gm. However, Berman mentioned the consultant brought in to help find the next pres/gm is still working on finding the right guy for the Knicks.
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7/8/2017  10:23 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/8/2017  10:23 AM
Absolutely. Phil had very few allies in the organization. He was probably doomed to fail. If it was Mills to decide, he would not trade away THjr. Phil and his band were alone. Dolan supported him for a while but probably it was only him. Anyway it is a failed marriage, Knicks gained a lot though. It is just like Hinkie and 76ers. We now have picks and a young core and cap rooms (before Mills used all of them anyway)

Yeah, Dolan paid him 60mil, but do we really care? Personally I am happy that he got a little bit poorer because of it.

To be fair, he was a basketball mind not here for the public relations. Mills should have talked and defended him and the organization. After all, he was the guy doing all the heavy lifting, right? Then he probably should have negotiated a better contract with Noah's agent. (I know I have to mention him again) Phil wanted him, but probably not prepared for the amount of money at all. But anyway Phil was the leader and he had the final say. He should have taken full responsibility. Just like when things went right, I gave him full credit.

At the end, I understand why Mills was silent. He was the "heir". He had all the trust from Dolan, he probably wanted Phil fired sooner than later. He had no reason to defend Phil.


CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:Knicks are not deviating much from the plan they had. That is in place to get younger and keep going. What is gone with Phil is purity of triangle directive, reboot with KP on exit miss, and Melo likely traded instead of impatiently bought out.
This. I thought this was interesting from Berman's article today.
“Tim’s not Phil’s type of player,’’ one NBA source who has spoken to Knicks brass told The Post.

Young, long and athletic. The Knicks’ primary goal next season is growing their young core, more so than snatching the No. 8 playoff seed. If it means having a nice spot in the lottery for Missouri’s Michael Porter Jr., so be it.

According to an NBA source, the Knicks want to build their team around prospects Kristaps Porzingis, new point guard Frank Ntilikina, center Willy Hernangomez and the 6-foot-6 Hardaway — if Atlanta does not match the generous offer sheet by Saturday night.

That’s three Europeans and a Michigan alum Knicks scouts fell in love with in 2013. The Knicks drafted him 24th before Jackson arrived to clean house with the coaching staff and roster. Nevertheless, the Knicks scouts are still here — Allan Houston, who has Mills’ ear, Mark Hughes, Mark Warkentien, Walker Russell, Jamie Matthews.


http://nypost.com/2017/07/08/tim-hardaway-move-proves-steve-mills-isnt-phil-jackson/

Did most of the Knick brass still like Hardaway when he was traded or do they like him now that he has developed? In the end Phil only had Rambis and Gaines in the organization as his cronies from past successes. I wonder if there was some push to move on from Phil in house. Begley has reported that some in the organization were urging Dolan to move on from Phil.

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7/8/2017  11:30 AM
mlby1215 wrote:Absolutely. Phil had very few allies in the organization. He was probably doomed to fail. If it was Mills to decide, he would not trade away THjr. Phil and his band were alone. Dolan supported him for a while but probably it was only him. Anyway it is a failed marriage, Knicks gained a lot though. It is just like Hinkie and 76ers. We now have picks and a young core and cap rooms (before Mills used all of them anyway)

Yeah, Dolan paid him 60mil, but do we really care? Personally I am happy that he got a little bit poorer because of it.

To be fair, he was a basketball mind not here for the public relations. Mills should have talked and defended him and the organization. After all, he was the guy doing all the heavy lifting, right? Then he probably should have negotiated a better contract with Noah's agent. (I know I have to mention him again) Phil wanted him, but probably not prepared for the amount of money at all. But anyway Phil was the leader and he had the final say. He should have taken full responsibility. Just like when things went right, I gave him full credit.

At the end, I understand why Mills was silent. He was the "heir". He had all the trust from Dolan, he probably wanted Phil fired sooner than later. He had no reason to defend Phil.


CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:Knicks are not deviating much from the plan they had. That is in place to get younger and keep going. What is gone with Phil is purity of triangle directive, reboot with KP on exit miss, and Melo likely traded instead of impatiently bought out.
This. I thought this was interesting from Berman's article today.
“Tim’s not Phil’s type of player,’’ one NBA source who has spoken to Knicks brass told The Post.

Young, long and athletic. The Knicks’ primary goal next season is growing their young core, more so than snatching the No. 8 playoff seed. If it means having a nice spot in the lottery for Missouri’s Michael Porter Jr., so be it.

According to an NBA source, the Knicks want to build their team around prospects Kristaps Porzingis, new point guard Frank Ntilikina, center Willy Hernangomez and the 6-foot-6 Hardaway — if Atlanta does not match the generous offer sheet by Saturday night.

That’s three Europeans and a Michigan alum Knicks scouts fell in love with in 2013. The Knicks drafted him 24th before Jackson arrived to clean house with the coaching staff and roster. Nevertheless, the Knicks scouts are still here — Allan Houston, who has Mills’ ear, Mark Hughes, Mark Warkentien, Walker Russell, Jamie Matthews.


http://nypost.com/2017/07/08/tim-hardaway-move-proves-steve-mills-isnt-phil-jackson/

Did most of the Knick brass still like Hardaway when he was traded or do they like him now that he has developed? In the end Phil only had Rambis and Gaines in the organization as his cronies from past successes. I wonder if there was some push to move on from Phil in house. Begley has reported that some in the organization were urging Dolan to move on from Phil.

PHil was the voice of the knicks and thus not for Mills to defend him. Really, only Dolan had that voice.
Also, its not the GM but the organization that decides on its direction. Right now the best we can see is HornyBall is the flavor we are going with.

Lets be real, even if RC Buford came here his history does not. Pop is not coming and thus its up to the coach to to implement "His" system. WE seem to have many scouts and Mills in place with a head coach. Would H20 be a good GM for us at this point? Maybe. I know most fans like the feeling of a guy that succeeded before and the confidence that brings. I have mentioned the gang of talent of former GM's we have on the payroll who are more than competent in the absence of Phil or another GM.
Funny how Masai was bought up as a pacifier of sorts for fans to keep them happy.
Media loves to play up how inept this organization has been and works it into anger. Let the record speak for itself. At the same time we are missing two first round picks which we will still feel for years. Moving past it takes time. Time does not sell ad space for media.

KNICKS NEED TO HIRE A GM/PRES ASAP

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