Paris907 wrote:https://www.blazersedge.com/2017/7/6/15931742/rumor-blazers-knicks-rockets-trade-moe-harkless-meyers-leonard-ryan-anderson-carmelo-anthony

nyknickzingis wrote:Interesting as I think Phil and Horny liked both these players in the past

Leonard 25 years old stretch 5 high motor
Harkless 24 years old athletic potential two way 3

To get two starters on Portlands team at 25/24 for Melo is a coup IMO.

They both fit Horny offense which needs a big that can shoot 3s and wings that can get up and down

Young core/group
Leonard 25 Willy 22
Porzingis 21 Kornet 22
Harkless 24 Kuzminskas 27
Tim Jr. 25 Dotson 23
Baker 24 Ntilikina 18

Not bad man I'd be pretty ok with that rebuild group
Just don't like Tim Jr salary if Atlanta matches I won't be upset

That line up is freaking horrible

We need wings

dwiley20 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Interesting as I think Phil and Horny liked both these players in the past

Leonard 25 years old stretch 5 high motor
Harkless 24 years old athletic potential two way 3

To get two starters on Portlands team at 25/24 for Melo is a coup IMO.

They both fit Horny offense which needs a big that can shoot 3s and wings that can get up and down

Young core/group
Leonard 25 Willy 22
Porzingis 21 Kornet 22
Harkless 24 Kuzminskas 27
Tim Jr. 25 Dotson 23
Baker 24 Ntilikina 18

Not bad man I'd be pretty ok with that rebuild group
Just don't like Tim Jr salary if Atlanta matches I won't be upset

That line up is freaking horrible

Porzingis will be the first option. Be allowed to develop his game. Look at how long it took Girdan Hayward to become an all-star. I think KP is ahead of him and he could be an all-star this coming year if he's healthy and utilized as the primary scorer.

Then you have THj who has shown he can score. Create shots for himself. He's a wing threat. I'm not sold on the contract, but he showed in Atlanta during the second part of the season he can give a team 3rd option scoring.

It's simply about putting forward a young team that has players on the rise, players that will have greater value as we keep them and develop them a year or two from now. That roster is NOT the finished product or the players who will be part of a contender 2-3 years from now. You still need more moves. However every rebuilding team that became a contender went through this way. There is no other solution. Signing or trading for veteran stars on decline is NOT working for us. Over the last 10 years, we have traded or signed the following players who were stars or all-stars but never really changed the direction of this franchise.

Noah
Amare
Melo
Bargnani
Chandler
Rose

Almost all those players, were part of lottery teams.
Outside of one good year in 2012-13, where we got beat easily in the second round, the Knicks have been a team that wins less than half their games every single year. Not a winning record outside of 12-13 in the last decade.

We should re-build. Forget any other way.

Noah (steep decline)
Melo (steady)_
Clee (steady, no longer a great defender)
Rose (steady decline, no defense)
Jennings (Forgot how to score)

That's about 5 of our top 9 players from opening night. The players who I thought looked better were the one's who were younger with athletic prime years ahead and on the way up in their careers or going to maintain that level for a while. KP, Willy, Holiday, Baker.

Rebuilding teams need players like Harkless and Leonard because they are two guys who will either stay where they are in what they give to a team or get a little better. They have athletic prime years ahead of them. They will play with a high motor. You saw last year's team just not have a motor to play Hornachek's high paced offense and then get back on D.

Don't care if we stay in the lottery. We weren't going anywhere with Melo/KP anyway. Two years in a row, they couldn't get us past 31/32 wins.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Chandler wrote:No to Meyer. We're set there and can draft well there

We need wings

Leonard might be worse than a broken down Noah. The only good this that is contact ends in two years. I hope we get a pick in return as well.

BigDaddyG wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Chandler wrote:No to Meyer. We're set there and can draft well there

We need wings

Leonard might be worse than a broken down Noah. The only good this that is contact ends in two years. I hope we get a pick in return as well.

Noah is a complete non-factor as a scorer. When Noah was playing last year, the teams would not even try to defend him until he was right under the basket. Leonard can shoot the ball from outside and is better at scoring the ball than Noah. Leonard can give the team better spacing and good screens. On offense he is more effective a role player than Noah.

Yeah, but then you factor in defense, rebounding, passing etc. and you can make the case Melo is better. I definitely wouldn't start him over O'quinn and Willy. I'm not crazy about Leonard, but it won't hurt to give him a few years to try and build up his game as we improve. I think we should get a second-rounder out of it.

Leonard has a nice touch from outside, career 37.7 three point shooter (better than KP) legit 5 size with strength. He hustles. Think of him as a big upgrade over Plumlee, and a better fit than Noah. Noah seemingly has forgotten how to make layups, catch the ball or score at all.

Here's a Leonard good games from last year.

From what I see:

Good 3 point shot form
Good screen setter
Good at screen and roll finish
Good dunker

Nothing else to his game, but I think he would be way more useful than O'Quinn or Noah. Much more athletic from what I can see and better motor.

nyknickzingis wrote:Interesting as I think Phil and Horny liked both these players in the past

Leonard 25 years old stretch 5 high motor
Harkless 24 years old athletic potential two way 3

To get two starters on Portlands team at 25/24 for Melo is a coup IMO.

They both fit Horny offense which needs a big that can shoot 3s and wings that can get up and down

Young core/group
Leonard 25 Willy 22
Porzingis 21 Kornet 22
Harkless 24 Kuzminskas 27
Tim Jr. 25 Dotson 23
Baker 24 Ntilikina 18

Not bad man I'd be pretty ok with that rebuild group
Just don't like Tim Jr salary if Atlanta matches I won't be upset

I like that rebuild as well. I am a thjr fan so I hope atl won't match . I really like mo