Ira wrote:

Ira wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I just looked at the defensive tracking data. Amazingly, TH JR held his man to just 40.7% shooting. Maybe he's a lot better on defense than his reputation? I see his on/off plus minus was +9.5 which is outstanding.

What's Klay Thompson's plus minus? Now that THJR is going to make more money than Klay it should be a good yardstick of measurement.

Thompson's plus minus is 2.33 - 4th among shooting guards. Hardaway's is 0.82 - 15th among shooting guards.

Dion Waiter's plus minus is 0.05 - 25th among shooting guards.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/2

anrst wrote:THJ was Melo's boy...

............................ is this to appease Melo?

But yes worse case if Melo is back, it helps that you have some players he likes to play with in Kristaps, THj. On paper, a team with Porzingis, Melo and THj, would and should make the playoffs. It's not a bad team, it just won't go anywhere but stuck as a lower playoff seed. That's the best case in keeping Melo. You are a lower playoff seed that's bounced in round 1, and then he opts out in a year and goes to a contender or better playoff team for nothing. Best move is to trade him now and get some longterm assets back.

Ira wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I just looked at the defensive tracking data. Amazingly, TH JR held his man to just 40.7% shooting. Maybe he's a lot better on defense than his reputation? I see his on/off plus minus was +9.5 which is outstanding.

What's Klay Thompson's plus minus? Now that THJR is going to make more money than Klay it should be a good yardstick of measurement.

Thompson's plus minus is 2.33 - 4th among shooting guards. Hardaway's is 0.82 - 15th among shooting guards.

thanks. SHows two things, THJ's salary is somewhat in line with his +/-

And that GSW fairly consistently get great value -- when there's a cap it's all about how much value you get

nyknickzingis wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:95% of Knicks fans thinks the deal was dumb 100% of Atlanta fans agree.

Dion Waiters got 50mm and Hardaway 71

No way to chew it--my bet is fans will have a quick buyers remorse and well be discussing how to get rid of Hardaways contract in 2 years.

Mills overpaid so Atlanta would not match.
He did it after Waiters rejected his offer.
They want a starting level 2 guard that can give 15 points a night to pair with Ntilikina in the backcourt longterm. 25 and younger is what they want.

After Waiters, next best option was Hardaway.

The money does suck. I agree. It's a huge risk. I hope Atlanta matches, but I like we went after a guy that is young on the upswing or upward slope of his career vs going for Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, Courtney Lee, Brandon Jennings who are on the downward trend of their careers.

i'm glad we didn't get Waiters. I'm happy for Dion but he's been on several teams and sucked. Maybe he found a home in Miami and good for him. Here I thing he'd be Melo-lite, holding the ball etc

THJ has played in NYC and liked it; He competes. I am shocked at the money, but I have been shocked by probably 20 or 30 contracts in the last 2 years alone

I will hope for the best

Chandler wrote:

Ira wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I just looked at the defensive tracking data. Amazingly, TH JR held his man to just 40.7% shooting. Maybe he's a lot better on defense than his reputation? I see his on/off plus minus was +9.5 which is outstanding.

What's Klay Thompson's plus minus? Now that THJR is going to make more money than Klay it should be a good yardstick of measurement.

Thompson's plus minus is 2.33 - 4th among shooting guards. Hardaway's is 0.82 - 15th among shooting guards.

thanks. SHows two things, THJ's salary is somewhat in line with his +/-

And that GSW fairly consistently get great value -- when there's a cap it's all about how much value you get

Why are we comparing THJ to Thompson?!? Thompson is in the middle of contract that he signed yrs ago so this is an unfair comparison. If Thompson were a Fa, you think he's signing 4 for 71 mil?!?!

JabStepDagger7 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:35% of our cap is Noah and THJ.

BRIGGS statements is just silly. Why not just post THJ % of cap....why include Noah?

THJ....16% of cap.

Andrew wrote:

JabStepDagger7 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:35% of our cap is Noah and THJ.

BRIGGS statements is just silly. Why not just post THJ % of cap....why include Noah?

THJ....16% of cap.

Thank you and a 25 year old who has potential to be a all star next to KP and Willy , shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Noah .

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:BLOODY HAAIL???
The idiots that wanted to fire Phil should be jumping up and and down. We are back to "37 wins now with Melo". WHOOOOOO - talk about making a splash! HEE HAAW!!

Can we please get Marbury back from China?

This is awesome @#**(@$$

------IF STEVE MILLS GETS HIT BY A BUS, I WON'T CRY

CAN'T FIX STUPID.

Firing Phil doesn't mean you hire dumb @ss. Why couldn't the Knicks just go for the scraps after the Nets search and hire that guy from the Rockets?

Firing Phil means getting rid of the only person with the stones to actually attempt a rebuild while letting his stellar resume take the hit. People who couldn't wait to get rid of him deserve this outcome. The Knicks don't need to hire dumbass, beteween owner, "star player", front office yes men, beat writers and "fans" they've got all the bases covered. Continue to pretend that we will hire smart people who will magically put together a winning roster by signing FAs or rebuild the "right way" instead of actually investing in a process so it can succeed.

BRIGGS wrote:

Andrew wrote:

JabStepDagger7 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:35% of our cap is Noah and THJ.

BRIGGS statements is just silly. Why not just post THJ % of cap....why include Noah?

THJ....16% of cap.

Those are our 2 last big contracts given in free agency. If you want to add Lee that nearly half the cap on Lee THJ and Noah--think about it. Id rather give Holiday 4mm or last year Seth Curry 3-4mm--why do we always pay so much??? Then the players sck and we have trouble moving them. There is no change here.