Sinix wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Sinix wrote:Is it too late to nix this deal and ask Phil to come back?

These guys are going to try and out a team around melo. Smfh.

THj and Melo were very tight. I remember Melo feeling some type of way about the trade. I'm wondering if this was a way to also keep melo after his contract expires on a cheap deal as a mentor for this youth movement. I'm not sure but based on rumors they are trying to pick the best offer for melo and all the other vets of value. build a solid core around KP. then give KP melo money when his contract is up. hope THj will be close to a franchise player. He has the potential and pedigree.

I know my Knicks and melo and what is going to happen. They are playing a Pr game that's going to end up with melo staying. Melo too. They are going to say they tried to trade him but they couldn't get it done. They will try to get heat off themselves that way.

I wouldn't be surprised if Isiah is pulling the strings behind the scenes. Dolan always keeps his pets around way longer than they should be. He's kept Isiah around despite all the bull**** and he wants to do the same for melo.

Yep, it's Melo's fault. And if we trade him to Houston for Anderson, it's also Melo's fault. As is not hiring a GM and placing Mills in charge of deals. Come on wake up, Dolan is to blame for all.of it. This will always be a clown show. His IQ was on display the night Oakley got thrown out.

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I just looked at the defensive tracking data. Amazingly, TH JR held his man to just 40.7% shooting. Maybe he's a lot better on defense than his reputation? I see his on/off plus minus was +9.5 which is outstanding.

What's Klay Thompson's plus minus? Now that THJR is going to make more money than Klay it should be a good yardstick of measurement.

or Jimmy Butler considering he makes a million less

First, I didn't say it was a good contract. I understand the reasoning though and don't think it's terrible. Second, you really can only compare salaries when the players sign in the same off-season.

I think 4 years 50-60 million was right. My problem is we feel the need to overspend 3 or 4 million a year on every contract, or we throw in an extra year, Why is there a trade kicker? Why is Tim Hardaway Jr. absolutely vital to the Knicks having a chance to win? The fact is he isn't, but the Knicks paid him like he was. If we were a piece away I would get it. By why in the midst of a rebuild do we need to shackle ourselves with over inflated contracts. Now we are taking about taking on 4 year deals from Portland? Meyers sucks donkey balls at 10 million a year, thats another horrid contract. We are killing all flexibility and we won't even win 30 games. Why not just sign bums for a year or 2 and win 20 games.

Bonn - if you can't compare salaries across years then you shouldn't be comparing +/= across teams, divisions, conferences or years unless the formula adjusts for quality of opponent on each game and things like teams always bringing their A game when playing the Warriors while they lapse into over confidence when playing bottomfeeders. We can't adjust for everything out there so sometimes you use the best approximation you have. Salaries is a perfectly fair comparison.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I just looked at the defensive tracking data. Amazingly, TH JR held his man to just 40.7% shooting. Maybe he's a lot better on defense than his reputation? I see his on/off plus minus was +9.5 which is outstanding.

What's Klay Thompson's plus minus? Now that THJR is going to make more money than Klay it should be a good yardstick of measurement.

or Jimmy Butler considering he makes a million less

First, I didn't say it was a good contract. I understand the reasoning though and don't think it's terrible. Second, you really can only compare salaries when the players sign in the same off-season.

I think 4 years 50-60 million was right. My problem is we feel the need to overspend 3 or 4 million a year on every contract, or we throw in an extra year, Why is there a trade kicker? Why is Tim Hardaway Jr. absolutely vital to the Knicks having a chance to win? The fact is he isn't, but the Knicks paid him like he was. If we were a piece away I would get it. By why in the midst of a rebuild do we need to shackle ourselves with over inflated contracts. Now we are taking about taking on 4 year deals from Portland? Meyers sucks donkey balls at 10 million a year, thats another horrid contract. We are killing all flexibility and we won't even win 30 games. Why not just sign bums for a year or 2 and win 20 games.

Bonn - if you can't compare salaries across years then you shouldn't be comparing +/= across teams, divisions, conferences or years unless the formula adjusts for quality of opponent on each game and things like teams always bringing their A game when playing the Warriors while they lapse into over confidence when playing bottomfeeders. We can't adjust for everything out there so sometimes you use the best approximation you have. Salaries is a perfectly fair comparison.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I can't believe the Knicks watched the playoffs and did this?
Hardaway is going to under immense pressure
To succeed which will tough. George Hill is making less -- a position of need?
We couldn't trade for a decent 2 guard?

Jerome James had a great post-season! You don't spend based on the playoffs. You're talking about just a couple of games.

Bonn the playoffs with Washington went 7 games

thj started only 30 reg season games-- it gives you a sense of what he can do on a bigger stage
He's not even a good 3 point shooter. He was able to capitalize on some easy baskets in a system that featured hardawy as the 4-5 option. When you have to rely on a jumpshot-- does tim hard away come to mind? What's his lifetime 3 pt%?

6 games 4 of which were bad. You can't judge a guy on 4 games. That's a terrible philosophy.

And your other question. Hardaway is basically an average 3 point shooter (35 or 36%). He hit 54% of his 2s the last two seasons though and has about a 2:1 assist turnover ratio and around 80% FT shooting. So that's pretty efficient overall on offense.

I think they match.

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I can't believe the Knicks watched the playoffs and did this?
Hardaway is going to under immense pressure
To succeed which will tough. George Hill is making less -- a position of need?
We couldn't trade for a decent 2 guard?

Jerome James had a great post-season! You don't spend based on the playoffs. You're talking about just a couple of games.

Bonn the playoffs with Washington went 7 games

thj started only 30 reg season games-- it gives you a sense of what he can do on a bigger stage
He's not even a good 3 point shooter. He was able to capitalize on some easy baskets in a system that featured hardawy as the 4-5 option. When you have to rely on a jumpshot-- does tim hard away come to mind? What's his lifetime 3 pt%?

6 games 4 of which were bad. You can't judge a guy on 4 games. That's a terrible philosophy.

And your other question. Hardaway is basically an average 3 point shooter (35 or 36%). He hit 54% of his 2s the last two seasons though and has about a 2:1 assist turnover ratio and around 80% FT shooting. So that's pretty efficient overall on offense.

I was really impressed with Atl's shooting with him on floor vs. off. Defense also. They are simply much better on both sides with THjr.

I think they match.

I DON'T THINK THEY WILL, for the hawks to keep him at the price with no other scorer on the roster is ridiculous, atleast the knicks still have melo and kp, and wont be running the triangle.

As much as I hate mills, I think this is a decent move

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I just looked at the defensive tracking data. Amazingly, TH JR held his man to just 40.7% shooting. Maybe he's a lot better on defense than his reputation? I see his on/off plus minus was +9.5 which is outstanding.

What's Klay Thompson's plus minus? Now that THJR is going to make more money than Klay it should be a good yardstick of measurement.

Thompson's plus minus is 2.33 - 4th among shooting guards. Hardaway's is 0.82 - 15th among shooting guards.

............................ is this to appease Melo?