Bonn1997 wrote:I just looked at the defensive tracking data. Amazingly, TH JR held his man to just 40.7% shooting. Maybe he's a lot better on defense than his reputation? I see his on/off plus minus was +9.5 which is outstanding.

What's Klay Thompson's plus minus? Now that THJR is going to make more money than Klay it should be a good yardstick of measurement.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I just looked at the defensive tracking data. Amazingly, TH JR held his man to just 40.7% shooting. Maybe he's a lot better on defense than his reputation? I see his on/off plus minus was +9.5 which is outstanding.

What's Klay Thompson's plus minus? Now that THJR is going to make more money than Klay it should be a good yardstick of measurement.

or Jimmy Butler considering Hardaway Jr makes a million less

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I just looked at the defensive tracking data. Amazingly, TH JR held his man to just 40.7% shooting. Maybe he's a lot better on defense than his reputation? I see his on/off plus minus was +9.5 which is outstanding.

What's Klay Thompson's plus minus? Now that THJR is going to make more money than Klay it should be a good yardstick of measurement.

or Jimmy Butler considering he makes a million less

First, I didn't say it was a good contract. Second, you really can only compare salaries when the players sign in the same off-season.

I know the Knicks just make me so irate, I just want to go back to our competitive basketball in the 90's. I just don't see anyway we will get there. The front office just doesn't get it

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I just looked at the defensive tracking data. Amazingly, TH JR held his man to just 40.7% shooting. Maybe he's a lot better on defense than his reputation? I see his on/off plus minus was +9.5 which is outstanding.

What's Klay Thompson's plus minus? Now that THJR is going to make more money than Klay it should be a good yardstick of measurement.

or Jimmy Butler considering he makes a million less

First, I didn't say it was a good contract. Second, you really can only compare salaries when the players sign in the same off-season.

I know the Knicks just make me so irate, I just want to go back to our competitive basketball in the 90's. I just don't see anyway we will get there. The front office just doesn't get it

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I just looked at the defensive tracking data. Amazingly, TH JR held his man to just 40.7% shooting. Maybe he's a lot better on defense than his reputation? I see his on/off plus minus was +9.5 which is outstanding.

What's Klay Thompson's plus minus? Now that THJR is going to make more money than Klay it should be a good yardstick of measurement.

or Jimmy Butler considering he makes a million less

First, I didn't say it was a good contract. I understand the reasoning though and don't think it's terrible. Second, you really can only compare salaries when the players sign in the same off-season.

Uptown wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:Because Phil was the only guy who tried to stop Knicks being Knicks. He had many flaws, but we really needed him.

The idea is that he was not here to bring us a champion, he was here to fix the problem. I mean, at the end, I'd rather be worried what he is going to tweet than trading away picks or giving THjr 71/4 or something. Again I know I have to mention Noah. Yeah, he is bad too but at least I understand why. Centers tend to be overpaid and he was DPOY and we were bidding against other teams. But THjr? The money are drying up now so we really don't have a reason to overpay him that much IF atl only was thinking about 45mil.

Anyway, we need a lot of luck. THjr is better because he has learned his lesson. He changed because Atl was not afraid of sending him to D-league to teach him something. There is no way to happen here. We would call the management arrogant or having ego, and media would again blow this up.

We now really need to hope THjr is a changed man. He may be different now.

At the end, we should have expected it must happen. It was bound to happen. Knicks was desperate to sign someone and every better FA rejected us. THjr or someone worse, it has to happen.

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:BLOODY HAAIL???
The idiots that wanted to fire Phil should be jumping up and and down. We are back to "37 wins now with Melo". WHOOOOOO - talk about making a splash! HEE HAAW!!

Can we please get Marbury back from China?

This is awesome @#**(@$$

------IF STEVE MILLS GETS HIT BY A BUS, I WON'T CRY

CAN'T FIX STUPID.

Firing Phil doesn't mean you hire dumb @ss. Why couldn't the Knicks just go for the scraps after the Nets search and hire that guy from the Rockets?

Phil would have spent the same money on a player who was 10 years older! This is still a bad signing - like a C. Phil's signings were closer to an F. It's progress!

I just don't get the spend at all cost mentality , especially now. This team needs to tank, we have 2 years to add players before Porzingis gets paid. If we don't have a core in place by then, the window to win closes. Thats why trading Porzingis was the right thing to do. We would of had 4 picks in 2 years could of had a collection of 6 high picks before having to pay any of them. If a few are good you sign FA's, you then use bird rights to sign your lottery picks and boom championship contender. The Knicks with Noah's and Hardaway JR's deals make it impossible to attract FA's. Now if Porzingis turns into a star, we will be frickin to capped out to offer 2 max deals and then use bird rights to sign Porzingis. The Knicks had to maintain flexibility over the next 2 years. I really can't take this crap anymore, the level of incompetence in the garden has no bounds, I am convinced I will die without ever seeing a Knicks championship.

How does signing Hardaway interrupt the tank process? He is a nice young piece to add to KP/Willy etc...

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I just looked at the defensive tracking data. Amazingly, TH JR held his man to just 40.7% shooting. Maybe he's a lot better on defense than his reputation? I see his on/off plus minus was +9.5 which is outstanding.

What's Klay Thompson's plus minus? Now that THJR is going to make more money than Klay it should be a good yardstick of measurement.

or Jimmy Butler considering he makes a million less

First, I didn't say it was a good contract. I understand the reasoning though and don't think it's terrible. Second, you really can only compare salaries when the players sign in the same off-season.

I think 4 years 50-60 million was right. My problem is we feel the need to overspend 3 or 4 million a year on every contract, or we throw in an extra year, Why is there a trade kicker? Why is Tim Hardaway Jr. absolutely vital to the Knicks having a chance to win? The fact is he isn't, but the Knicks paid him like he was. If we were a piece away I would get it. By why in the midst of a rebuild do we need to shackle ourselves with over inflated contracts. Now we are taking about taking on 4 year deals from Portland? Meyers sucks donkey balls at 10 million a year, thats another horrid contract. We are killing all flexibility and we won't even win 30 games. Why not just sign bums for a year or 2 and win 20 games.

Jmpasq wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:Because Phil was the only guy who tried to stop Knicks being Knicks. He had many flaws, but we really needed him.

The idea is that he was not here to bring us a champion, he was here to fix the problem. I mean, at the end, I'd rather be worried what he is going to tweet than trading away picks or giving THjr 71/4 or something. Again I know I have to mention Noah. Yeah, he is bad too but at least I understand why. Centers tend to be overpaid and he was DPOY and we were bidding against other teams. But THjr? The money are drying up now so we really don't have a reason to overpay him that much IF atl only was thinking about 45mil.

Anyway, we need a lot of luck. THjr is better because he has learned his lesson. He changed because Atl was not afraid of sending him to D-league to teach him something. There is no way to happen here. We would call the management arrogant or having ego, and media would again blow this up.

We now really need to hope THjr is a changed man. He may be different now.

At the end, we should have expected it must happen. It was bound to happen. Knicks was desperate to sign someone and every better FA rejected us. THjr or someone worse, it has to happen.

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:BLOODY HAAIL???
The idiots that wanted to fire Phil should be jumping up and and down. We are back to "37 wins now with Melo". WHOOOOOO - talk about making a splash! HEE HAAW!!

Can we please get Marbury back from China?

This is awesome @#**(@$$

------IF STEVE MILLS GETS HIT BY A BUS, I WON'T CRY

CAN'T FIX STUPID.

Firing Phil doesn't mean you hire dumb @ss. Why couldn't the Knicks just go for the scraps after the Nets search and hire that guy from the Rockets?

Phil would have spent the same money on a player who was 10 years older! This is still a bad signing - like a C. Phil's signings were closer to an F. It's progress!

I just don't get the spend at all cost mentality , especially now. This team needs to tank, we have 2 years to add players before Porzingis gets paid. If we don't have a core in place by then, the window to win closes. Thats why trading Porzingis was the right thing to do. We would of had 4 picks in 2 years could of had a collection of 6 high picks before having to pay any of them. If a few are good you sign FA's, you then use bird rights to sign your lottery picks and boom championship contender. The Knicks with Noah's and Hardaway JR's deals make it impossible to attract FA's. Now if Porzingis turns into a star, we will be frickin to capped out to offer 2 max deals and then use bird rights to sign Porzingis. The Knicks had to maintain flexibility over the next 2 years. I really can't take this crap anymore, the level of incompetence in the garden has no bounds, I am convinced I will die without ever seeing a Knicks championship.

How does signing Hardaway interrupt the tank process? He is a nice young piece to add to KP/Willy etc...

There is no reason to kill your flexibility when you have no chance to win. Having deals run into Porzingis and Willy's FA's years hurts potential cap room for star FA's. Say Porzingis becomes a 22 and 10 player , Willy 18 and 10, Porzingis becomes a FA, plenty of stars want to sign here but guess what, we have no cap room to sign them because of Noah and Hardaway Jr's deals. Once we sign Porzingis to a max deal our chance of having any cap room the next decade is shot. Players need to come that offseason or before. We basically killed Porzingis FA season with this deal.

I agree 1000%.

If we didn't have Noah, and we stood a chance of being able to move him, maybe this deal makes sense.

My hope going in to this season was Noah would be health, play wonderfully and we'd stand a chance of moving him.

Why shoot our load this year, when we need to be thinking 3-5 years down the line, and this move isn't that. Not at the $ and years and trade kicker and everything else.

I'm getting ready to cut the cord, and I was thinking about the one thing that I watch on TV is sports- but no need for MSG at this point...