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The New York Knicks, in typical New York Knicks fashion, appear to have bid against themselves in the Tim Hardaway Jr. sweepstakes.

The Knicks lavished the 25-year-old restricted free agent - whom they drafted 24th overall in 2013 - with a four-year, $71-million offer sheet. The Atlanta Hawks now have the right to match it, but almost certainly will not.

The Hawks were prepared to offer Hardaway a four-year deal in the range of $48 million, sources told ESPN's Zach Lowe. Even at the risk of losing him for nothing, it's tough to envision Atlanta ponying up an additional $23 million.

The Knicks traded Hardaway to the Hawks on draft night in 2015, in exchange for the pick that became point guard Jerian Grant. Last summer, they traded Grant as part of a package for Derrick Rose. Now, with Rose coming off the books, they're attempting to use their newfound cap space to bring back Hardaway on an above-market deal.

In Knicks land, time really is a flat circle.

WTF

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Andrew wrote:

JabStepDagger7 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:35% of our cap is Noah and THJ.

BRIGGS statements is just silly. Why not just post THJ % of cap....why include Noah?

THJ....16% of cap.

Those are our 2 last big contracts given in free agency. If you want to add Lee that nearly half the cap on Lee THJ and Noah--think about it. Id rather give Holiday 4mm or last year Seth Curry 3-4mm--why do we always pay so much??? Then the players sck and we have trouble moving them. There is no change here.

Briggs and TH JR together make 16% of the cap. And Briggs can't even play. WTF were they thinking?

I've said this before....NY doesn't tank.....Can't tank....Wont tank. The only way the knicks get a high draft pick is by sucking real bad or trading for a 1st rounder and get lucky like Boston.

Otherwise, the show must go on. Dolan doesn't get paid for tanking, he gets paid for entertainment. And THj will bring some entertainment.....Now we just need Jamal Crawford to add some highlight flare, and the broadway show will be back on the road. Unless Melo sees Houston or Cleveland beating GS, I don't think he leaves or we trade him. Dolan needs Melo and KP to sell tickets. The show must go on!

Has anybody written a book on the life of a knick fan? Might be a best seller. Have Dolan provide the funds to promote it.

knicks1248 wrote:

Brett Davis-USA TODAY Sports / Action Images

The New York Knicks, in typical New York Knicks fashion, appear to have bid against themselves in the Tim Hardaway Jr. sweepstakes.

The Knicks lavished the 25-year-old restricted free agent - whom they drafted 24th overall in 2013 - with a four-year, $71-million offer sheet. The Atlanta Hawks now have the right to match it, but almost certainly will not.

The Hawks were prepared to offer Hardaway a four-year deal in the range of $48 million, sources told ESPN's Zach Lowe. Even at the risk of losing him for nothing, it's tough to envision Atlanta ponying up an additional $23 million.

The Knicks traded Hardaway to the Hawks on draft night in 2015, in exchange for the pick that became point guard Jerian Grant. Last summer, they traded Grant as part of a package for Derrick Rose. Now, with Rose coming off the books, they're attempting to use their newfound cap space to bring back Hardaway on an above-market deal.

In Knicks land, time really is a flat circle.

WTF

Yes!!! Sounds good to me ! Timmy was one of the best 2 guards in the second half of the season. This kid has really turned the corner. He also gets to play with a talent like KP making the game even easier for him. I think in a year from now everyone will be talking about what a player thjr is .

fitzfarm wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Brett Davis-USA TODAY Sports / Action Images

The New York Knicks, in typical New York Knicks fashion, appear to have bid against themselves in the Tim Hardaway Jr. sweepstakes.

The Knicks lavished the 25-year-old restricted free agent - whom they drafted 24th overall in 2013 - with a four-year, $71-million offer sheet. The Atlanta Hawks now have the right to match it, but almost certainly will not.

The Hawks were prepared to offer Hardaway a four-year deal in the range of $48 million, sources told ESPN's Zach Lowe. Even at the risk of losing him for nothing, it's tough to envision Atlanta ponying up an additional $23 million.

The Knicks traded Hardaway to the Hawks on draft night in 2015, in exchange for the pick that became point guard Jerian Grant. Last summer, they traded Grant as part of a package for Derrick Rose. Now, with Rose coming off the books, they're attempting to use their newfound cap space to bring back Hardaway on an above-market deal.

In Knicks land, time really is a flat circle.

WTF

Yes!!! Sounds good to me ! Timmy was one of the best 2 guards in the second half of the season. This kid has really turned the corner. He also gets to play with a talent like KP making the game even easier for him. I think in a year from now everyone will be talking about what a player thjr is .

I agree, honesty, I can go all the way back to his finally yr in college, I posted a poll about who would you want CURRY or THJ...the only thing I didn't like about THJ, was his JR SMITH like streaks. this goes all the way back to Michigan.....hot and cold in a heart beat

This is a good upgrade at the 2 guard position and I have to believe that a deal for Lee is in the works. Makes no sense having TWO SG on the roster making, roughly, 30 mil total.

Oops, he's a black hole, doesn't rebound and really not half as good as offense as his #'s might look.

There's your Tim Hardaway. People making the same excuses for God knows what reason.

Sinix wrote:This reminds of when the Knicks got Eddy Curry as well. Look at that over 50% FG%!!!!!!!!!! He must be a good productive young player with a high %!!!!

Oops, he's a black hole, doesn't rebound and really not half as good as offense as his #'s might look.

There's your Tim Hardaway. People making the same excuses for God knows what reason.

Bonn1997 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Andrew wrote:

JabStepDagger7 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:35% of our cap is Noah and THJ.

BRIGGS statements is just silly. Why not just post THJ % of cap....why include Noah?

THJ....16% of cap.

Those are our 2 last big contracts given in free agency. If you want to add Lee that nearly half the cap on Lee THJ and Noah--think about it. Id rather give Holiday 4mm or last year Seth Curry 3-4mm--why do we always pay so much??? Then the players sck and we have trouble moving them. There is no change here.

Briggs and TH JR together make 16% of the cap. And Briggs can't even play. WTF were they thinking?

I've said this before....NY doesn't tank.....Can't tank....Wont tank. The only way the knicks get a high draft pick is by sucking real bad or trading for a 1st rounder and get lucky like Boston.

Otherwise, the show must go on. Dolan doesn't get paid for tanking, he gets paid for entertainment. And THj will bring some entertainment.....Now we just need Jamal Crawford to add some highlight flare, and the broadway show will be back on the road. Unless Melo sees Houston or Cleveland beating GS, I don't think he leaves or we trade him. Dolan needs Melo and KP to sell tickets. The show must go on!

Has anybody written a book on the life of a knick fan? Might be a best seller. Have Dolan provide the funds to promote it.

If we wanted to tank, all we needed to do was tell Phil to try to build a winning team!

lol

Vmart wrote:What does this signing of THJ tell you guys it means Knicks are making offers and are being turned down. I'm telling you guys that there are a lot of players that want very little to do with NY. If you guys think players are going to do friendly deals with NYK you have another thing coming. The players want to be compensated for one playing basketball and having to deal with constant media scrutiny.

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Brett Davis-USA TODAY Sports / Action Images

The New York Knicks, in typical New York Knicks fashion, appear to have bid against themselves in the Tim Hardaway Jr. sweepstakes.

The Knicks lavished the 25-year-old restricted free agent - whom they drafted 24th overall in 2013 - with a four-year, $71-million offer sheet. The Atlanta Hawks now have the right to match it, but almost certainly will not.

The Hawks were prepared to offer Hardaway a four-year deal in the range of $48 million, sources told ESPN's Zach Lowe. Even at the risk of losing him for nothing, it's tough to envision Atlanta ponying up an additional $23 million.

The Knicks traded Hardaway to the Hawks on draft night in 2015, in exchange for the pick that became point guard Jerian Grant. Last summer, they traded Grant as part of a package for Derrick Rose. Now, with Rose coming off the books, they're attempting to use their newfound cap space to bring back Hardaway on an above-market deal.

In Knicks land, time really is a flat circle.

WTF

what is your issue? Do you know how RFA works?

Atl wants him back. They were going to start with an offer at $12mm. Knicks want him. They need to offer enough to force Atl to not match. The $18mm from the KNicks vs. the $12mm offered by the Hawks represents the cost of pilfering talent from another team's roster. Agree with the cost or dont but this pretty easy to understand.

I like the player, just not the deal. I do get what they tried to do, its still a lot of $$ regardless. Not a problem, more than half the league is over paid

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Brett Davis-USA TODAY Sports / Action Images

The New York Knicks, in typical New York Knicks fashion, appear to have bid against themselves in the Tim Hardaway Jr. sweepstakes.

The Knicks lavished the 25-year-old restricted free agent - whom they drafted 24th overall in 2013 - with a four-year, $71-million offer sheet. The Atlanta Hawks now have the right to match it, but almost certainly will not.

The Hawks were prepared to offer Hardaway a four-year deal in the range of $48 million, sources told ESPN's Zach Lowe. Even at the risk of losing him for nothing, it's tough to envision Atlanta ponying up an additional $23 million.

The Knicks traded Hardaway to the Hawks on draft night in 2015, in exchange for the pick that became point guard Jerian Grant. Last summer, they traded Grant as part of a package for Derrick Rose. Now, with Rose coming off the books, they're attempting to use their newfound cap space to bring back Hardaway on an above-market deal.

In Knicks land, time really is a flat circle.

WTF

what is your issue? Do you know how RFA works?

Atl wants him back. They were going to start with an offer at $12mm. Knicks want him. They need to offer enough to force Atl to not match. The $18mm from the KNicks vs. the $12mm offered by the Hawks represents the cost of pilfering talent from another team's roster. Agree with the cost or dont but this pretty easy to understand.

I like the player, just not the deal. I do get what they tried to do, its still a lot of $$ regardless. Not a problem, more than half the league is over paid

What you look for in RFA is a player either trending upward or is in a role that can be expanded thus justifying the extra money. Thats the risk.

Myself I would prefer to do nothing and wait for opportunity, but that doesnt mean THIS move is bad or wrong. Knicks got a talented young player who was also a good player on a winning team. They gave up nothing but cap space to acquire this player. Thats the game.

I do think all this is premature as Hawks will match, but we will see.