Vmart wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:Think about it. If our plan is to tank next year to get the top pick in the lottery, keeping Melo and playing him at the 3 may give us the best chance. The frontcourt of Melo at the 3, KP at the 4 and Willy at the 5 can't stop anyone. We're ensured to lose a lot. How sad yet true is this?

Don't get me wrong, I want Melo to be traded and to move on with the rebuild without him. Meaning, lose without him with young players. But there is some backwards logic in this.

This will also ensure that the Knicks young players development will be stunted. Melo requires shots and will jack up shots that should no longer belong to him. KP takes the next step as the face of the franchise and Nitlikina gets to do his thing without mind corruption and suppression.

I will say this.. I would rather bring him to training camp than buy him out, and I would rather buy him out than take terrible deals like Ryan Anderson back.

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:Think about it. If our plan is to tank next year to get the top pick in the lottery, keeping Melo and playing him at the 3 may give us the best chance. The frontcourt of Melo at the 3, KP at the 4 and Willy at the 5 can't stop anyone. We're ensured to lose a lot. How sad yet true is this?

Don't get me wrong, I want Melo to be traded and to move on with the rebuild without him. Meaning, lose without him with young players. But there is some backwards logic in this.

This will also ensure that the Knicks young players development will be stunted. Melo requires shots and will jack up shots that should no longer belong to him. KP takes the next step as the face of the franchise and Nitlikina gets to do his thing without mind corruption and suppression.

this and its a legit problem. How can the coach push defense and ball movement if you have a $25mm a year guy with a NTC holding the ball, taking any shot he wants and not defending? Are we expecting Melo to be a good soldier and do what Hornecek hopes?

I will say this.. I would rather bring him to training camp than buy him out, and I would rather buy him out than take terrible deals like Ryan Anderson back.

I would take Ryan Anderson's bad deal if we got two first round picks. By the team this team is ready to compete, the Rockets should be on a downward spiral and those picks could be high. If Rockers give use 2020 pick unprotected and 2022 pick maybe top-3 protected then I do that deal. In the short term it hurst but this team is going to be bad (or needs to be bad) for the next 2 years, so Ryan's deal will expire when we are ready to compete and we then get two more first round picks.

HofstraBBall wrote:Did you guys start this?..Awww.

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How bout we make this fat little owner give us a winner. What's funny is everyone makes fun of him but he is smarter than all the loser Knick fans put together. Years of fooling everyone and giving us ****ty teams. Then he brings in his decrepit old man shield and now the richest franchise in the NBA sells you guys on a complete cheap rebuild. With the likes of Frank. Genius. You guys deserve a loser for years to come. You do realuze KP is the next to go. But I am sure you will have another unicorn every couple of years.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Did you guys start this?..Awww.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/BaIIer_/status/882313433152077824

How bout we make this fat little owner give us a winner. What's funny is everyone makes fun of him but he is smarter than all the loser Knick fans put together. Years of fooling everyone and giving us ****ty teams. Then he brings in his decrepit old man shield and now the richest franchise in the NBA sells you guys on a complete cheap rebuild. With the likes of Frank. Genius. You guys deserve a loser for years to come. You do realuze KP is the next to go. But I am sure you will have another unicorn every couple of years.

Don't give Dolan too much credit. How many basketball fans live in NYC? It would be almost impossible to put together a Knicks team that wasn't extremely profitable. Have the Knicks ever not been profitable? I'm sure they'd make even more money if they made decent transactions.

He deserves all the credit. But your right, doesnt take much to fool Knicks fans. Almost as easy as it is to fool Jet and Met fans. He is laughing all the way to a very big bank. While us suckers that pay for tickets watch a horrible team and now get to see another complete overhaul. 2001 all over again.

I always look at Melo like Mutumbo, excellent at what he does best. Melo (like Mutombo, like Rodman) will go into the HOF for what he does best, that's to be appreciated. Nobody question or killed rodman and mutumbo for not being able to score 20+ a night..They mastered their roll..melo primarily is a scorer...your expectations of him is why you probably want him gone.

But ask yourself this, if you had a roster full of non shooting players and rodman was your highest paid and best player, would you criticize and bash him for not being able to get you 25 per night, Knowing what you already know about rodamn..FCK NO>>>>>>No what a good prez would do, is put Isaiah and dumars, or pippen and jordan around him, to complement his skill set, so your expectation for him scoring are level off..

Bad management and Bad Luck is why we are what we are

knicks1248 wrote:Some Knicks fans will take the largest paid, biggest star on the roster (only reason we're relevant) player, and hammer his flaws to your head like a nail on plywood, doesn't matter who it is..Oh yeah kp is next for sure, once the losing sets in, it bring out the worst in fans

I always look at Melo like Mutumbo, excellent at what he does best. Melo (like Mutombo, like Rodman) will go into the HOF for what he does best, that's to be appreciated. Nobody question or killed rodman and mutumbo for not being able to score 20+ a night..They mastered their roll..melo primarily is a scorer...your expectations of him is why you probably want him gone.

But ask yourself this, if you had a roster full of non shooting players and rodman was your highest paid and best player, would you criticize and bash him for not being able to get you 25 per night, Knowing what you already know about rodamn..FCK NO>>>>>>No what a good prez would do, is put Isaiah and dumars, or pippen and jordan around him, to complement his skill set, so your expectation for him scoring are level off..

Bad management and Bad Luck is why we are what we are

One facet of the game. Rodman and Mutombo at least gave you two facets of the game rebounding and defense. What does Melo give scoring at an inefficient level. Melo continues to break his role and is defiant. Mutimbi and Rodman at least stuck to theirs. Holding the ball breaking the system for what so he can get his.

meloshouldgo wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:Think about it. If our plan is to tank next year to get the top pick in the lottery, keeping Melo and playing him at the 3 may give us the best chance. The frontcourt of Melo at the 3, KP at the 4 and Willy at the 5 can't stop anyone. We're ensured to lose a lot. How sad yet true is this?

Don't get me wrong, I want Melo to be traded and to move on with the rebuild without him. Meaning, lose without him with young players. But there is some backwards logic in this.

This will also ensure that the Knicks young players development will be stunted. Melo requires shots and will jack up shots that should no longer belong to him. KP takes the next step as the face of the franchise and Nitlikina gets to do his thing without mind corruption and suppression.

this and its a legit problem. How can the coach push defense and ball movement if you have a $25mm a year guy with a NTC holding the ball, taking any shot he wants and not defending? Are we expecting Melo to be a good soldier and do what Hornecek hopes?

I will say this.. I would rather bring him to training camp than buy him out, and I would rather buy him out than take terrible deals like Ryan Anderson back.

I would rather buy him out than have him anywhere near the team again. I would rather tell him to stay home, than buy him out.

I would buy him out too but not until all avenues to move him have been milked.