In the second half of today's Berman article is info which seems to confirm and build on some things Rosen wrote about the Jackson, Anthony, KP melodrama.

I'm writing on the assumption that this story is true, and not simply someone like Rambis putting out disinformation to make Jackson look better.

If this is true, we get to learn what kind of leader Anthony really is/was, and why having him on the team will not allow KP to assert himself as a team leader.

Totally unacceptable to shut down and intimidate a young player expressing his mind. If you want to have competing beliefs and honest discussion over the Triangle, fine...but for Anthony to use his influence over KP to in essence stifle him is not good.

Though I never did join the Triangle cult, I always appreciated the ideas it was based on because I thought they represented the right way to play the game.

Have to figure then that Anthony might have influenced someone like Rose to denigrate or diminish the Triangle at times.

Not hard to believe that Melo would have done something like this to MDA, by the way.

Not sure that Hornacek or any future head coach should have to tailor an offense to accommodate the whims and wishes of Anthony at this point, and it will be interesting to see how Melo fits into any future system we play.

“Phil thought Carmelo was trying to sabotage him,’’ an NBA source said.

Anthony, who is the only Knick who has been a part of the four straight teams that have missed the playoffs, was considered disruptive in the locker room. On March 1, when the Knicks were last in Orlando finishing out the string against the Magic, Porzingis voiced his support of Jackson’s triangle offense.

“We’re starting to learn it now the way we should and we should have been playing from the beginning of the season,” Porzingis said then. “So we’re a little behind. Hopefully, I don’t know when, we can start using it properly and making some impact playing it. I like the triangle. My whole first season, we played nothing but the triangle so I know it pretty well.’’

According to an NBA source, Anthony was furious to read Porzingis’ positive sentiments on an offense he disdains.

“Melo really chewed him out, lit into him,’’ the source said.

There were few positive comments regarding the triangle afterward from Porzingis, who proceeded to blow off his exit meeting in protest of the chaotic state of the Jackson-run franchise. Jackson admitted at his mid-April press conference the triangle was “met by resistance from the top’’ and “rebelliousness.’’

Charley Rosen, Jackson’s longtime confidant, wrote in a column Wednesday that Anthony’s “private complaining’’ led Porzingis to “become disrespectful to several members of the coaching staff.’’

In the end, the rebels won out...

Also, I don't trust Rosen or Berman. Their credibility is suspect

Also, if Melo did that Janis would have probably destroyed Melo and KPs relationship.

yellowboy90 wrote:The problem is that it's against what everyone says Melo is as a person.

Also, I don't trust Rosen or Berman. Their credibility is suspect

Also, if Melo did that Janis would have probably destroyed Melo and KPs relationship.

except of course almost all of his former coaches, and now GMs. Not sure why their opinion doesn't matter since they worked with him

The "everyone"s you speak of are the same "ones" who don't want them on their teams -- if their actions mean anything

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:What does everyone say about him as a person? I have not heard one thing about him personally.

His on the court demeanor is all I can judge him by and it tells me he is not smart, selfish and not a leader. IT would be amazing that he could be different off the court.

A friend of mine is life long friends with Jason Kidd. He said Kidd loved playing with Melo and that he is a great guy. We know he is loved by his teammates and that he organizes offseason workouts etc. we know how his dream team teammates and coaches feel about him. We know he is very philanthropic and is supposed to be a great Dad.

which one of those things would prevent him from playing basic office politics and try to draw in support against management he was not on good terms with?

Where were those things when he quit on MDA and got him pushed out of town?

This is office politics 101.

Uptown wrote:Are we also to assume that Melo had a hand in KP skipping the exit meetings? What was Janis and KP's teams role in influencing KP? Melo wasn't the only player who resisted the Triangle, as phil even stated the resistance was from top to bottom.

MOST of the team was not resistant to the offense! Melo clearly led a Mutiny which was not appreciated by Phil.

“The conversation was a long conversation. I don’t want to go into details about what we spoke about, but my guys responded very well to what was said in that meeting. As you can see, it was a different focus, it was a different mindset, it was a different energy that we approached the game with.”

Asked if team president Phil Jackson intervened in any way, Anthony happily stated that The Zen Master remained silent and gave the players the floor.

“Nah, he actually just listened this time,” Anthony said, “which is good.”

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/new-york-knicks-players-hold-meeting-with-phil-jackson-coaches-112116

Clearly Melo was happy with himself but Phil likely felt betrayed. The team did peak at 14-10 but fell off and eventually Phil asked for Triangle Fundamentals to be reintroduced. As for KP I think his missing the Exit Meeting was for his own personal reasons and those of ASM Sports. Melo IMO isn't a good influence but there's a lot of other factors. It's never just one thing. Melo CLEARLY didn't BUY IN.

newyorker4ever wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:What does everyone say about him as a person? I have not heard one thing about him personally.

His on the court demeanor is all I can judge him by and it tells me he is not smart, selfish and not a leader. IT would be amazing that he could be different off the court.

A friend of mine is life long friends with Jason Kidd. He said Kidd loved playing with Melo and that he is a great guy. We know he is loved by his teammates and that he organizes offseason workouts etc. we know how his dream team teammates and coaches feel about him. We know he is very philanthropic and is supposed to be a great Dad.

Yeah but Melo isn't gonna talk to a guy like J.Kidd the way he'd talk to any other past Knicks players he played with cause Kidd is a legit name in the NBA.

That is why any young player will be suppressed no matter how talented. This was KP's fault probably got all starry eyed and whatever Melo says is the gospel. Lin was an excellent example of a player who didn't fit Melo's criteria as a basketball player passive aggressively suppressed. Amare wasn't kidding folks.

Melo is an isolation player and he will shyt on anyone to get what he wants. This is your leader gets a man who knows about winning fired so he can do his isolation act.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:You guys can defend Melo all you want. He will not lead the team anywhere. He is a false hero. ONly cares about himself. Only cares about his money. Only cares about going up the all time scoring list.

How did I do?

Vmart wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:What does everyone say about him as a person? I have not heard one thing about him personally.

His on the court demeanor is all I can judge him by and it tells me he is not smart, selfish and not a leader. IT would be amazing that he could be different off the court.

A friend of mine is life long friends with Jason Kidd. He said Kidd loved playing with Melo and that he is a great guy. We know he is loved by his teammates and that he organizes offseason workouts etc. we know how his dream team teammates and coaches feel about him. We know he is very philanthropic and is supposed to be a great Dad.

Yeah but Melo isn't gonna talk to a guy like J.Kidd the way he'd talk to any other past Knicks players he played with cause Kidd is a legit name in the NBA.

That is why any young player will be suppressed no matter how talented. This was KP's fault probably got all starry eyed and whatever Melo says is the gospel. Lin was an excellent example of a player who didn't fit Melo's criteria as a basketball player passive aggressively suppressed. Amare wasn't kidding folks.

Melo is an isolation player and he will shyt on anyone to get what he wants. This is your leader gets a man who knows about winning fired so he can do his isolation act.