GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

TLover wrote:In the type of offense Hornachek ran with the suns KP would be the perfect center. Remember he had Channing Frye looking like a star hitting all those threes. Whereas he had Markieff Morris at the 4 which is a poor mans Melo.

KP at 5 & Melo at 4 is the way to go. We need a defensive/rebounding machine at sf (like a Gerald Wallace type) Despite his age (31) I can see the Knicks making a run at Kyle Lowery but would rather a younger guy. D.Rose on a good deal might work after we renounce his rights. I'd still try to get Ricky Rubio for Courtney Lee and use free agent $ to get a shooter/defensive wing player. Hopefully this 2nd rounder Dotson can do something bc he's the protypixsl 3 & D SG.

Melo is awful. He cannot play D anymore. He takes possessions and games off. KP and Melo at the 5/4 is not good for D or offensive rebounding.

This team needs to improve defensively first and foremost. The offense will come with or without Melo.

Lowry is too old for this group. Rubio is a better choice but I would still prefer to stay with the rebuild and play Baker/Randle and Ntilikina. Let them learn on the job!

If you can keep Holiday, I would go with:

Willy
KP
Holiday
Lee
Baker

Kuz/Lance
Nitlikina/Randle
Dotson
KOQ
Noah

I think pgs more than any other position need a mentor

I don't mind a FA pg as long as he can contribute on and off the court.

Chandler wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

TLover wrote:In the type of offense Hornachek ran with the suns KP would be the perfect center. Remember he had Channing Frye looking like a star hitting all those threes. Whereas he had Markieff Morris at the 4 which is a poor mans Melo.

KP at 5 & Melo at 4 is the way to go. We need a defensive/rebounding machine at sf (like a Gerald Wallace type) Despite his age (31) I can see the Knicks making a run at Kyle Lowery but would rather a younger guy. D.Rose on a good deal might work after we renounce his rights. I'd still try to get Ricky Rubio for Courtney Lee and use free agent $ to get a shooter/defensive wing player. Hopefully this 2nd rounder Dotson can do something bc he's the protypixsl 3 & D SG.

Melo is awful. He cannot play D anymore. He takes possessions and games off. KP and Melo at the 5/4 is not good for D or offensive rebounding.

This team needs to improve defensively first and foremost. The offense will come with or without Melo.

Lowry is too old for this group. Rubio is a better choice but I would still prefer to stay with the rebuild and play Baker/Randle and Ntilikina. Let them learn on the job!

If you can keep Holiday, I would go with:

Willy
KP
Holiday
Lee
Baker

Kuz/Lance
Nitlikina/Randle
Dotson
KOQ
Noah

I think pgs more than any other position need a mentor

I don't mind a FA pg as long as he can contribute on and off the court.

I can understand that. Then Rubio would be my choice over Lowry or Teague. Lowry is a win now type player. Teague never impressed, imo. Rubio fits much better.

Rubio costs you Lee most likely, so then the SG position would need attention. Holiday if he sticks could play there

Rubio
Holiday
Lance
KP
Willy

Rande/Nitlikina
Baker
Kuz
KOQ
NOah

Just from an attack guard perspective, off the dribble, pulling up for 3 pointers. Pick and pop or pick and roll with the point guard. Easier to do this as a 5 than 4.

Willy should focus on being the best 6th man in the league. With having Willy, we keep KP's minutes down which should be around 30 anyway. That C rotation is pretty special. One guy that beats you up from the outside, other comes in and beats you up from the inside.

Defensively I think even KP is an easier fit for 5.

I would have liked to have seen Willy and KP play together, but it definitely doesn't look like it will materialize now.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

Uptown wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

TLover wrote:In the type of offense Hornachek ran with the suns KP would be the perfect center. Remember he had Channing Frye looking like a star hitting all those threes. Whereas he had Markieff Morris at the 4 which is a poor mans Melo.

KP at 5 & Melo at 4 is the way to go. We need a defensive/rebounding machine at sf (like a Gerald Wallace type) Despite his age (31) I can see the Knicks making a run at Kyle Lowery but would rather a younger guy. D.Rose on a good deal might work after we renounce his rights. I'd still try to get Ricky Rubio for Courtney Lee and use free agent $ to get a shooter/defensive wing player. Hopefully this 2nd rounder Dotson can do something bc he's the protypixsl 3 & D SG.

Melo is awful. He cannot play D anymore. He takes possessions and games off. KP and Melo at the 5/4 is not good for D or offensive rebounding.

This team needs to improve defensively first and foremost. The offense will come with or without Melo.

Lowry is too old for this group. Rubio is a better choice but I would still prefer to stay with the rebuild and play Baker/Randle and Ntilikina. Let them learn on the job!

If you can keep Holiday, I would go with:

Willy
KP
Holiday
Lee
Baker

Kuz/Lance
Nitlikina/Randle
Dotson
KOQ
Noah

You started off talking about improving the defense, then you place Willy and KP in the same front court at the same time....Both struggled defensively when paired together...KP needs to be groomed as a center, as it would limit the times he would spend chasing quicker PF's on the perimeter. Until further notice, Melo is a Knick and and probably should spend at least half of his minutes playing PF. I agree that Melo isn't a good defensive player either but Melo had his best season in the league playing minutes at PF.

You may be right. The problem is that Willy is a 5. Kp is a hybrid 4/5. You could start KOQ as the 4 but he cant chase guys either.

I don't plan on Melo. Even if he is here, he should not be around the team.

I get that you don't like the guy, but we just got rid of Phil because he helped establish the toxic culture here. If Melo is still here, you do not bench your best player. If you do, it'll be another PR nightmare and his teammates will no stand for it. It could divide the team. I was one of the main posters here calling for the firing of phil months ago. With that said, I was never in the Either/Or camp. I've been Both/And for a while. I think the Knicks should still move Melo but that's easier said than done. If he's still here, you play him.

As for Willy, its okay to have him come off the bench...He can still get valuable minutes as the first big off the bench. As we are presently constructed, as bad as Melo may be defensively, he is still out best bet at the 4. We do not need to see KOQ chasing around pf's. That would be a night mare...

Uptown wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

Uptown wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

TLover wrote:In the type of offense Hornachek ran with the suns KP would be the perfect center. Remember he had Channing Frye looking like a star hitting all those threes. Whereas he had Markieff Morris at the 4 which is a poor mans Melo.

KP at 5 & Melo at 4 is the way to go. We need a defensive/rebounding machine at sf (like a Gerald Wallace type) Despite his age (31) I can see the Knicks making a run at Kyle Lowery but would rather a younger guy. D.Rose on a good deal might work after we renounce his rights. I'd still try to get Ricky Rubio for Courtney Lee and use free agent $ to get a shooter/defensive wing player. Hopefully this 2nd rounder Dotson can do something bc he's the protypixsl 3 & D SG.

Melo is awful. He cannot play D anymore. He takes possessions and games off. KP and Melo at the 5/4 is not good for D or offensive rebounding.

This team needs to improve defensively first and foremost. The offense will come with or without Melo.

Lowry is too old for this group. Rubio is a better choice but I would still prefer to stay with the rebuild and play Baker/Randle and Ntilikina. Let them learn on the job!

If you can keep Holiday, I would go with:

Willy
KP
Holiday
Lee
Baker

Kuz/Lance
Nitlikina/Randle
Dotson
KOQ
Noah

You started off talking about improving the defense, then you place Willy and KP in the same front court at the same time....Both struggled defensively when paired together...KP needs to be groomed as a center, as it would limit the times he would spend chasing quicker PF's on the perimeter. Until further notice, Melo is a Knick and and probably should spend at least half of his minutes playing PF. I agree that Melo isn't a good defensive player either but Melo had his best season in the league playing minutes at PF.

You may be right. The problem is that Willy is a 5. Kp is a hybrid 4/5. You could start KOQ as the 4 but he cant chase guys either.

I don't plan on Melo. Even if he is here, he should not be around the team.

I get that you don't like the guy, but we just got rid of Phil because he helped establish the toxic culture here. If Melo is still here, you do not bench your best player. If you do, it'll be another PR nightmare and his teammates will no stand for it. It could divide the team. I was one of the main posters here calling for the firing of phil months ago. With that said, I was never in the Either/Or camp. I've been Both/And for a while. I think the Knicks should still move Melo but that's easier said than done. If he's still here, you play him.

As for Willy, its okay to have him come off the bench...He can still get valuable minutes as the first big off the bench. As we are presently constructed, as bad as Melo may be defensively, he is still out best bet at the 4. We do not need to see KOQ chasing around pf's. That would be a night mare...

I am hopeful they do. Hopefully, they can get a pick and a reasonably decent player out of it. Cap space would be a bonus.

I think Willy and KP can play together but they need a good perimeter Defenders with them. KP is a good rim protector and Willy can rebound well.

In any case, KP and Willy are a good problem to have. Talent and size.