BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Before Phil got here, Dolan blocked the Lowry trade because he no longer wanted to give up picks. If Uriji comes, I think you'll still see a rebuild through the draft but it will be done by a man who actually is competent at making trades and signing players too. We won't be overpaying for useless big names like Melo, Rose, and Noah. It will be a much more intelligent rebuild.

Uriji is a former player and understands the game well. He also understands all the analytics and modern NBA. It's the perfect biography and philosophy for a GM.

You mean like giving Demmarre Carroll 4 years and 62mm? Or trading for Serge Ibaka for your young lottery pick player and an additional 1st rd pick as he goes to free agency? Several lottery picks and 1st rounders equaled to nothing? Already had Demar and Lowry on the roster before he took over. How did he improve the team that much-- Complete playoff failure?
Now watch the Raptors--losing Lowry lets see where they are now:)

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reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Frank n willy G and two number 1s for denadre jordan. It's coming! This is just another knick rehash. Why couldn't we stay with Phil for the full 5 years?

Go back in time. Every few years we trade draft picks and young plYers for one player

Briggs, the slimy press, Melo and his sidekick KP, and ignorant fans threw Phil aside. And now instead of having a great eye for talent and a guy who keeps all his draft choices in charge we're destined to wander lost in the desert for another 40 years. It's our destiny.

Shouldve pulled the trigger for J Jackson and a little less--he would still be here. I think sports fans--there are many gullible one's. We had a **** team when Jackson came in--dont these people in anyway believe that Phil was told by Dolan to try and make it work with melo first? He did not come close to doing a great great job--BUT the process was changing to rebuilding. Now other teams see us as sckers--now they see. This is the same guy Steve Mills who saw us through how many 20 win seasons? We had one decent season in the last 17 years while spending more than any other team. They are going to say get a third star--bang goodbye draft picks and young players--and then the process--which we have done 4-5 times starts again. Phil couldve shouldve traded KP--I said it that day--just take J Jackson and some additives. Doesnt matter now

Oh look, Briggs figured out a way to mention an imaginary Josh Jackson for KP trade again.

Id rather an imaginary trade that the sht we are about to endure with Steve Mills. The Knicks are like a relative with cancer--you love them--but you know they are diseased with something God awful. The only true treatment is a person with very large pockets who can buy the team and kick the rest of this BS out. Unfortunately not many of these people exist.

Then stop enduring it.

The Knicks are one asset in a larger publicly traded company, a profitable one. They aren't saleable.

That said, to suggest Phil Jackson would still be here if he had traded porzingis is absent of common sense. That may be the thing that helps you believe you know basketball better than other people, but to suggest James Dolan of all people would be so impressed with swapping a player he likely has never heard of for porzingis, perhaps his star power a factor in Jackson being fired, just lacks any sense.

LOL What does Jim Dolan know about basketball???? So an owner would not know who a top pick is--thats why we sck!

Yes.

A person with only slight knowledge ultimately makes the calls. Thats why we have won less money per games spent over 20 years--worst ratio in sports history.

Yes.

We couldve used Jackson badly to balance the team--no desperation for KP with Willy G here. They dont balance each other out. Jackson was the two way player we needed--perfect fit. Alas now he is the 3rd or 4th option on a terribly balanced Suns team.

Frank Kaminsky 2.0 aside for a moment, even if this turns out to be accurate, to suggest Jackson would still have his job if he made a trade favorable to the one person on the planet advocating for it (you) is ridiculous.

What do you think Josh Jackson would have done in 4 days to influence Dolan's decision?

Again, that's absence of sense. Your opinion of the ultimate long-term result of such a trade has NOTHING to do with Jackson getting fired yesterday.

Can't you piece that together?

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Frank n willy G and two number 1s for denadre jordan. It's coming! This is just another knick rehash. Why couldn't we stay with Phil for the full 5 years?

Go back in time. Every few years we trade draft picks and young plYers for one player

Briggs, the slimy press, Melo and his sidekick KP, and ignorant fans threw Phil aside. And now instead of having a great eye for talent and a guy who keeps all his draft choices in charge we're destined to wander lost in the desert for another 40 years. It's our destiny.

Shouldve pulled the trigger for J Jackson and a little less--he would still be here. I think sports fans--there are many gullible one's. We had a **** team when Jackson came in--dont these people in anyway believe that Phil was told by Dolan to try and make it work with melo first? He did not come close to doing a great great job--BUT the process was changing to rebuilding. Now other teams see us as sckers--now they see. This is the same guy Steve Mills who saw us through how many 20 win seasons? We had one decent season in the last 17 years while spending more than any other team. They are going to say get a third star--bang goodbye draft picks and young players--and then the process--which we have done 4-5 times starts again. Phil couldve shouldve traded KP--I said it that day--just take J Jackson and some additives. Doesnt matter now

Oh look, Briggs figured out a way to mention an imaginary Josh Jackson for KP trade again.

Id rather an imaginary trade that the sht we are about to endure with Steve Mills. The Knicks are like a relative with cancer--you love them--but you know they are diseased with something God awful. The only true treatment is a person with very large pockets who can buy the team and kick the rest of this BS out. Unfortunately not many of these people exist.

Then stop enduring it.

The Knicks are one asset in a larger publicly traded company, a profitable one. They aren't saleable.

That said, to suggest Phil Jackson would still be here if he had traded porzingis is absent of common sense. That may be the thing that helps you believe you know basketball better than other people, but to suggest James Dolan of all people would be so impressed with swapping a player he likely has never heard of for porzingis, perhaps his star power a factor in Jackson being fired, just lacks any sense.

LOL What does Jim Dolan know about basketball???? So an owner would not know who a top pick is--thats why we sck!

Yes.

A person with only slight knowledge ultimately makes the calls. Thats why we have won less money per games spent over 20 years--worst ratio in sports history.

Yes.

We couldve used Jackson badly to balance the team--no desperation for KP with Willy G here. They dont balance each other out. Jackson was the two way player we needed--perfect fit. Alas now he is the 3rd or 4th option on a terribly balanced Suns team.

Frank Kaminsky 2.0 aside for a moment, even if this turns out to be accurate, to suggest Jackson would still have his job if he made a trade favorable to the one person on the planet advocating for it (you) is ridiculous.

What do you think Josh Jackson would have done in 4 days to influence Dolan's decision?

Again, that's absence of sense. Your opinion of the ultimate long-term result of such a trade has NOTHING to do with Jackson getting fired yesterday.

Can't you piece that together?

First off I had both Myles Turner and KP ahead of Frank Kaminsky at the end of the process--go look it up. And what is wrong with Kaminsky--hes not bad?

Yes if a man who doesnt really know basketball very well is making ultimate calls--than the stupid fans have a point. Fans pay a lot of money and give a lot of their free time for the Knicks to be run by a guy who shoots darts against the wall.

I dont think Im right on Jackson--I know darn well Im right. hes better than KP.

Dolan is back and he is already trying to do stupid trades ..... AGAIN!!!

nyknickzingis wrote:This is what made me secure about Phil
He was not good but he kept plugging away at rebuilding and bringing in new young players while valuing drafts

After each season rookies added to team
2014-15: Porzingis, Hernangomez, Grant
2015-16: Kuzminskas, Baker, Randle
2016-17: Ntilikina, Dotson

I'm worried we will send a good asset away for a veteran star.

Even the Porzingis trade talk

It was for two lottery picks young starter AND Noah contract out

Can't say I am sure next guy will be interested in drafting and developing

In NY they want immediate results
If Phil couldn't get patience doubt anyone else would

The rebuild should be the only focus.
Get Melo away from the team, he is like an infectious cancer to a young team trying to establish good habits on both sides of the ball.
Trade him or try to look into a 20$M buy out, which when stretched, allows Knicks to have something like 30$M in capspace this year (with DRose leaving). Then target a restricted free agent whose team is either uncertain to pay the player or in the sweepstakes for a star free agent. Restricted free agents are high quality investments if you can make the deal as they are usually a couple years into the league, with lots of upside still left or atleast athletic prime ahead.

Refrain from Joakim Noah, Evan Turner, Kent Brazemore type of free agents.
Look to do what Cuban did last summer by use the capspace to get some young rising FA talent like Barnes.