Not sure if it was coming more from KP's team, or KP himself. Sounded like SAS had some sources on this, and that KP's people might have talked to Dolan in the past two weeks voicing concern.

Smith also said, and we've heard this before, that Jackson did not want to trade KP, but only put some fear into him/his team.

Another thought...and one thing NOBODY has brought up, and not mentioned by SAS, is that in his final year in Spain, KP was on a team that dumped its head coach- an American (I think) who seemed to be developing KP- in the middle of the season. I'm thinking that stability is important for him, yet he had seen Lopez and fellow draft pick Grant traded after one year on the team, and was seeing Phil publicly dissing Melo and talking about getting rid of him.

We will see if this works out, but it would seem KP played a larger factor in Phil's departure than we believe.

nixluva wrote:I don't see the Doom and Gloom picture here. KP LOVES NY and whatever issue he had with Phil is gone now. Janis and ASM Sports WON. They got what they wanted and really no GM now will have the Power over them. The PRECEDENT has already been set that Melo or KP will have ultimate power over any GM they hire.

Then reality comes and he has to play with a 33 year old Melo. Bad defense that gets worse. Iso play that is getting more and more unathletic.

Soon the fairy tale that Phil Jackson is the source of all Knicks losing is going to come crashing down.

CAA and possibly Isiah Thomas won. Porzingis has always been collateral damage to these other groups meddling. Probably what annoyed Phil a lot with him, that KP was siding with these people who are dragging him down.

Sinix wrote:

nixluva wrote:I don't see the Doom and Gloom picture here. KP LOVES NY and whatever issue he had with Phil is gone now. Janis and ASM Sports WON. They got what they wanted and really no GM now will have the Power over them. The PRECEDENT has already been set that Melo or KP will have ultimate power over any GM they hire.

Then reality comes and he has to play with a 33 year old Melo. Bad defense that gets worse. Iso play that is getting more and more unathletic.

Soon the fairy tale that Phil Jackson is the source of all Knicks losing is going to come crashing down.

CAA and possibly Isiah Thomas won. Porzingis has always been collateral damage to these other groups meddling. Probably what annoyed Phil a lot with him, that KP was siding with these people who are dragging him down.

I actually expect the Knicks to IMPROVE. Gotta remember that it was likely to happen with natural growth of KP and Willy plus the additional new talent from the draft and upcoming Free Agency. This team will be better IMO. Melo is Melo. His game won't change but the team around him can and will change in terms of how much more they can contribute.

nixluva wrote:

Sinix wrote:

nixluva wrote:I don't see the Doom and Gloom picture here. KP LOVES NY and whatever issue he had with Phil is gone now. Janis and ASM Sports WON. They got what they wanted and really no GM now will have the Power over them. The PRECEDENT has already been set that Melo or KP will have ultimate power over any GM they hire.

Then reality comes and he has to play with a 33 year old Melo. Bad defense that gets worse. Iso play that is getting more and more unathletic.

Soon the fairy tale that Phil Jackson is the source of all Knicks losing is going to come crashing down.

CAA and possibly Isiah Thomas won. Porzingis has always been collateral damage to these other groups meddling. Probably what annoyed Phil a lot with him, that KP was siding with these people who are dragging him down.

I actually expect the Knicks to IMPROVE. Gotta remember that it was likely to happen with natural growth of KP and Willy plus the additional new talent from the draft and upcoming Free Agency. This team will be better IMO. Melo is Melo. His game won't change but the team around him can and will change in terms of how much more they can contribute.

I wouldn't be suprised if the Knicks are little bit beter next season just standing pat.

This is, after all, a Phil Jackson constructed team still and it's a young growing team.

Logically KP should take a jump, WHG should take a jump. Frank should provide something even if he isn't totally ready. Maybe Noah gets healthy and brings something to the table even it's a little.

But on the other side logically Melo should get worse. Especially since he has no one in his ear to get on him about his lack of defense or holding the ball anymore.

nixluva wrote:

Sinix wrote:

nixluva wrote:I don't see the Doom and Gloom picture here. KP LOVES NY and whatever issue he had with Phil is gone now. Janis and ASM Sports WON. They got what they wanted and really no GM now will have the Power over them. The PRECEDENT has already been set that Melo or KP will have ultimate power over any GM they hire.

Then reality comes and he has to play with a 33 year old Melo. Bad defense that gets worse. Iso play that is getting more and more unathletic.

Soon the fairy tale that Phil Jackson is the source of all Knicks losing is going to come crashing down.

CAA and possibly Isiah Thomas won. Porzingis has always been collateral damage to these other groups meddling. Probably what annoyed Phil a lot with him, that KP was siding with these people who are dragging him down.

I actually expect the Knicks to IMPROVE. Gotta remember that it was likely to happen with natural growth of KP and Willy plus the additional new talent from the draft and upcoming Free Agency. This team will be better IMO. Melo is Melo. His game won't change but the team around him can and will change in terms of how much more they can contribute.

I think that if all team will get killed in plain crash Nix will also be confident that team will improve as we will get new fresh players which will be surely better from what we have lost.

Sinix wrote:SAS now saying Melo doesn't want a trade because he doesn't want to gut his future team. No mention of his kid or LaLa.

What a POS.

What he did to the Knicks, he is now refusing to do to another team. He wanted the Knicks to bleed assets to get him but he wants to keep his new team in a strong standing so he can win.

How can anyone say they are a Melo and Knicks fan? How could we have picked Melo before Phil?

I'd sit his ass on the bench until he begs for a trade.

Sinix wrote:SAS now saying Melo doesn't want a trade because he doesn't want to gut his future team. No mention of his kid or LaLa.

What a POS.

What he did to the Knicks, he is now refusing to do to another team. He wanted the Knicks to bleed assets to get him but he wants to keep his new team in a strong standing so he can win.

How can anyone say they are a Melo and Knicks fan? How could we have picked Melo before Phil?

Damn your hate is real, I'm sure you wouldn't have the balls to get out from behind your keyboard to call the man that to his face. Get over Phil already, dude was on his victory lap to collect THAT LAST CHECK. At 60+ he decided to be an executive and was bad at it, the last couple of months proved this.

Sinix wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Sinix wrote:

nixluva wrote:I don't see the Doom and Gloom picture here. KP LOVES NY and whatever issue he had with Phil is gone now. Janis and ASM Sports WON. They got what they wanted and really no GM now will have the Power over them. The PRECEDENT has already been set that Melo or KP will have ultimate power over any GM they hire.

Then reality comes and he has to play with a 33 year old Melo. Bad defense that gets worse. Iso play that is getting more and more unathletic.

Soon the fairy tale that Phil Jackson is the source of all Knicks losing is going to come crashing down.

CAA and possibly Isiah Thomas won. Porzingis has always been collateral damage to these other groups meddling. Probably what annoyed Phil a lot with him, that KP was siding with these people who are dragging him down.

I actually expect the Knicks to IMPROVE. Gotta remember that it was likely to happen with natural growth of KP and Willy plus the additional new talent from the draft and upcoming Free Agency. This team will be better IMO. Melo is Melo. His game won't change but the team around him can and will change in terms of how much more they can contribute.

I wouldn't be suprised if the Knicks are little bit beter next season just standing pat.

This is, after all, a Phil Jackson constructed team still and it's a young growing team.

Logically KP should take a jump, WHG should take a jump. Frank should provide something even if he isn't totally ready. Maybe Noah gets healthy and brings something to the table even it's a little.

But on the other side logically Melo should get worse. Especially since he has no one in his ear to get on him about his lack of defense or holding the ball anymore.