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WaltLongmire
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6/28/2017  1:24 AM

Checked out the Vertical a short time ago...nothing on it yet.

Folks seem to have a lot of faith in Wojo...wonder if something is up?

Maybe Dolan's getting feedback about the all the KP trade talk?
Maybe it's a Melo thing?
Maybe Phil made fun of Dolan's band.

The timing would be very strange if he was to cut ties to Jackson right now, but who knows.

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6/28/2017  1:27 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/28/2017  2:24 AM
Wow, might end up being the story of the summer.

Edit from the OP's source

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-knicks-owner-debating-phil-jacksons-future-franchise-053414508.html

New York Knicks owner James Dolan is weighing the future of embattled president of basketball operations Phil Jackson, including the possibility of firing him, league sources told The Vertical.

No final decision had been made on Jackson’s future late Tuesday night, but Dolan is harboring uncertainties about how much longer to commit to Jackson as the organization’s top basketball decision-maker, league sources told The Vertical.

Resolution on Jackson’s future could come as soon as Wednesday, league sources told The Vertical.

Dolan has become increasingly concerned about Jackson’s fitness for the job and the long-term prospects of success for the franchise, especially in the aftermath of Jackson entertaining trades for Kristaps Porzingis, the franchise’s 21-year-old burgeoning star, league sources told The Vertical.

New York Knicks owner James Dolan is weighing the future of embattled president of basketball operations Phil Jackson, including the possibility of firing him, league sources told The Vertical.

No final decision had been made on Jackson’s future late Tuesday night, but Dolan is harboring uncertainties about how much longer to commit to Jackson as the organization’s top basketball decision-maker, league sources told The Vertical.

Resolution on Jackson’s future could come as soon as Wednesday, league sources told The Vertical.

Dolan has become increasingly concerned about Jackson’s fitness for the job and the long-term prospects of success for the franchise, especially in the aftermath of Jackson entertaining trades for Kristaps Porzingis, the franchise’s 21-year-old burgeoning star, league sources told The Vertical.

Phil Jackson admitted to fielding trades for Kristaps Porzingis. (AP)
Phil Jackson admitted to fielding trades for Kristaps Porzingis. (AP)
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Jackson, 71, has two years, $24 million left on his original five-year contract, but Dolan has a history of paying off long-term financial commitments without much consternation.

Jackson has struggled to make progress with the Knicks, including a three-year record of 80-166 as the franchise’s top basketball executive. His insistence on running the triangle offense has alienated players and turned off potential free agents, and Jackson has struggled to connect with the two head coaches he’s hired on the job, Derek Fisher and current coach Jeff Hornacek.

Jackson’s public battles with the Knicks’ two highest-profile players, Carmelo Anthony and Porzingis, have been part of marring of Jackson’s run with the Knicks, too.

Jackson was hired three years ago after a historic coaching career that included 11 NBA titles – a prodigal Knicks son returning to restore the organization to relevance. Jackson has struggled to adapt to the modern duties of an NBA executive, making mistakes largely in free agency and trades that have set back the organization.
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6/28/2017  1:29 AM
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6/28/2017  1:34 AM
Meh! Dolan would be going back on his word as well as giving up on Phil months after agreeing to let Phil finish his contract. This is the Media's Holy Grail. To keep up the pressure until Dolan makes a foolish move. Really can't stand the Media at this point. The Bias is absurd. If Dolan did fire Phil they'd jump right back on Dolan. They don't give a flip about the Knicks.
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6/28/2017  1:39 AM
If this is legit, wonder if Griffin being available has anything to do with it? Dolan would have a name to keep him out of the headlines. Maybe he's worried that he wont be able to avoid having his name dragged across the headlines, the way things are going. I would give Griffin a shot at this point.
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6/28/2017  1:40 AM
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6/28/2017  1:41 AM
crzymdups wrote:

LMAO, that got your attention.
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6/28/2017  1:41 AM
Dolan has been a disaster for the Knicks but Jackson, given his basketball background has made things worse. He was given free reign and has continually failed so this news doesn't surprise me one bit. We are a complete ****show and nobody knows what the hell they are doing and whether they are coming or going. At this point a fresh approach for yet another attempt at a rebuild may well be the end game of this sorry ass 3 years.
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6/28/2017  1:50 AM
magicTs wrote:Dolan has been a disaster for the Knicks but Jackson, given his basketball background has made things worse. He was given free reign and has continually failed so this news doesn't surprise me one bit. We are a complete ****show and nobody knows what the hell they are doing and whether they are coming or going. At this point a fresh approach for yet another attempt at a rebuild may well be the end game of this sorry ass 3 years.

You realize the timing couldn't be worse? You just let Phil do the draft and UDFA's. They're already working on Free Agency in days. There's absolutely ZERO logic to a move like this at this time. I can't imagine a worse thing to do.
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6/28/2017  2:02 AM
nixluva wrote:
magicTs wrote:Dolan has been a disaster for the Knicks but Jackson, given his basketball background has made things worse. He was given free reign and has continually failed so this news doesn't surprise me one bit. We are a complete ****show and nobody knows what the hell they are doing and whether they are coming or going. At this point a fresh approach for yet another attempt at a rebuild may well be the end game of this sorry ass 3 years.

You realize the timing couldn't be worse? You just let Phil do the draft and UDFA's. They're already working on Free Agency in days. There's absolutely ZERO logic to a move like this at this time. I can't imagine a worse thing to do.

You have no idea what has been going on behind the scenes, none of us do. Maybe Jackson wants out, maybe his relationship with certain players is so fractured its the best thing for the ball club. Maybe its become clear that certain players simply won't come and play for the Knicks given the environment he has created. Maybe Dolan is being impulsive because he is disillusioned from what he's seen and on this occasion I would have huge sympathy for that stance. The guy he has given more or less free reign to has been an unmitigated disaster. Who knows, but things are a mess and this speculation is the least surprising thing I've heard as we lurch from what disastrous situation to another.
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6/28/2017  2:05 AM
nixluva wrote:Meh! Dolan would be going back on his word as well as giving up on Phil months after agreeing to let Phil finish his contract. This is the Media's Holy Grail. To keep up the pressure until Dolan makes a foolish move. Really can't stand the Media at this point. The Bias is absurd. If Dolan did fire Phil they'd jump right back on Dolan. They don't give a flip about the Knicks.

Yep, completely agree- they manufacture drama then blame the team for 'creating' the drama they just created and then using it as grounds for someone being fired! Phil doesn't talk to the media "oh he's a disgrace! He needs to talk! " Phil talks to the media "phil needs to shut up! "

Firing Phil after he's drafted and just a few days before free agency (and a few months after you've picked up the last 2 yrs on his deal) is just plain dumb. It means we're stuck with melo for 2 yrs and possibly more, and KP has learned that being a diva works.

All those begging for his firing without thinking what would happen next are in for a rude awakening.

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6/28/2017  2:09 AM
smackeddog wrote:
nixluva wrote:Meh! Dolan would be going back on his word as well as giving up on Phil months after agreeing to let Phil finish his contract. This is the Media's Holy Grail. To keep up the pressure until Dolan makes a foolish move. Really can't stand the Media at this point. The Bias is absurd. If Dolan did fire Phil they'd jump right back on Dolan. They don't give a flip about the Knicks.

Yep, completely agree- they manufacture drama then blame the team for 'creating' the drama they just created and then using it as grounds for someone being fired! Phil doesn't talk to the media "oh he's a disgrace! He needs to talk! " Phil talks to the media "phil needs to shut up! "

Firing Phil after he's drafted and just a few days before free agency (and a few months after you've picked up the last 2 yrs on his deal) is just plain dumb. It means we're stuck with melo for 2 yrs and possibly more, and KP has learned that being a diva works.

All those begging for his firing without thinking what would happen next are in for a rude awakening.

Ruder than the worst record as an exec in 70 years?
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6/28/2017  2:18 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
nixluva wrote:Meh! Dolan would be going back on his word as well as giving up on Phil months after agreeing to let Phil finish his contract. This is the Media's Holy Grail. To keep up the pressure until Dolan makes a foolish move. Really can't stand the Media at this point. The Bias is absurd. If Dolan did fire Phil they'd jump right back on Dolan. They don't give a flip about the Knicks.

Yep, completely agree- they manufacture drama then blame the team for 'creating' the drama they just created and then using it as grounds for someone being fired! Phil doesn't talk to the media "oh he's a disgrace! He needs to talk! " Phil talks to the media "phil needs to shut up! "

Firing Phil after he's drafted and just a few days before free agency (and a few months after you've picked up the last 2 yrs on his deal) is just plain dumb. It means we're stuck with melo for 2 yrs and possibly more, and KP has learned that being a diva works.

All those begging for his firing without thinking what would happen next are in for a rude awakening.

Ruder than the worst record as an exec in 70 years?

Exactly. Those wanting to protect Jackson, a guy so far up his own backside that he's fallen out with just about everyone its possible to fall out with are the ones not putting the Knicks best interests first. Or at least considering the options. I have no confidence whatsoever in what he will do in free agency anyway. Maybe his departure will give us a much better chance of building a competitive ball club over the next couple of years, I can't see many of the elite FA's come anywhere near the Garden with him still there. He's managed to cause conflict in just about every key relationship within the Knicks, he's landed us with the atrocious Noah deal, he's landed us with the Melo NTC, he's fallen out with the best young player we have had in many many years, he barely attends road games etc etc. In short we can do a lot better especially for the money lavished on him. I don't believe we are going anywhere?under his 'leadership' and if thats the case why are we sticking by him.
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6/28/2017  2:26 AM
nixluva wrote:
magicTs wrote:Dolan has been a disaster for the Knicks but Jackson, given his basketball background has made things worse. He was given free reign and has continually failed so this news doesn't surprise me one bit. We are a complete ****show and nobody knows what the hell they are doing and whether they are coming or going. At this point a fresh approach for yet another attempt at a rebuild may well be the end game of this sorry ass 3 years.

You realize the timing couldn't be worse? You just let Phil do the draft and UDFA's. They're already working on Free Agency in days. There's absolutely ZERO logic to a move like this at this time. I can't imagine a worse thing to do.

Agree that the timing would be strange...but then you're attributing logic to the Knicks, a team whose owner was performing on stage during the NBA Draft.

If there are any legs to this story, you have to figure that the possibility KP might be traded was the deciding factor motivating Dolan.

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6/28/2017  2:38 AM
Yeah fire phil because Dolan has so many great replacements lined up...
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6/28/2017  2:52 AM
If there is any leg to this story, it just proves why players don't come here, or why good front office people stay away. with the consistent revolving door on the front office and head coaches, players. how could anyone build a winning culture here in New York.. top that with the worst media coverage that's like a pack of wolves . If I'm a young superstar I'm running far away from NYC.

By the way I think the article is total bs Dolan has said multiple times it's phils show till the end . He's given up on the knicks and is letting Phil run the show ... still needs two to four more years to complete and actually create the first winning culture in ny knicks history . No wonder we haven't won one since the early 70's there's no structure... how many times are we going to let the media funk the knicks up. They almost ran Ewing outta town multiple times until we made one of the worst trades in franchise history for glen freakin rice .


People need to wake up, Phil has a greater plan let him actually rebuild and create a winning culture
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6/28/2017  2:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/28/2017  3:08 AM
GustavBahler wrote:Ruder than the worst record as an exec in 70 years?

Phil's tenure to date.
1. Tried to win with Melo - didn't go well but he tried

2. Embraced a true rebuild for the very first time since the Patrick Ewing era. That's 32 years people!

3. Established a core of young talent - KP, Willy, Frank. That is a solid start to a rebuild.

4. Values the draft! We have all our picks moving forward!

5. We have cap room!

6. We are embracing system ball - the way championship teams play.

Ok, so this is the record of the worst executive in 70yrs?!? I want some of what you're smoking.

The new new core: Randle, RJ, IQ. Maybe Mitch. Future pick. Future trade. Future FA.
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6/28/2017  2:55 AM
We need instant gratification damn it! Who cares if we don't have a backup plan, who cares if it means more years of Melo poisoning the franchise? We'll have gotten phil out and we all know that phil is the root of all evil and that there totally wasn't a culture of incompetence firmly in place before he got here. I mean look at all the success we had before the nasty man came here, did you know we actually made it to the second round one year,it was practically a dynasty! Everything will be right as rain once bad bad phil is gone. I'm so happy we have the media to think for us, they make all of our problems crystal clear!
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6/28/2017  2:57 AM
magicTs wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
nixluva wrote:Meh! Dolan would be going back on his word as well as giving up on Phil months after agreeing to let Phil finish his contract. This is the Media's Holy Grail. To keep up the pressure until Dolan makes a foolish move. Really can't stand the Media at this point. The Bias is absurd. If Dolan did fire Phil they'd jump right back on Dolan. They don't give a flip about the Knicks.

Yep, completely agree- they manufacture drama then blame the team for 'creating' the drama they just created and then using it as grounds for someone being fired! Phil doesn't talk to the media "oh he's a disgrace! He needs to talk! " Phil talks to the media "phil needs to shut up! "

Firing Phil after he's drafted and just a few days before free agency (and a few months after you've picked up the last 2 yrs on his deal) is just plain dumb. It means we're stuck with melo for 2 yrs and possibly more, and KP has learned that being a diva works.

All those begging for his firing without thinking what would happen next are in for a rude awakening.

Ruder than the worst record as an exec in 70 years?

Exactly. Those wanting to protect Jackson, a guy so far up his own backside that he's fallen out with just about everyone its possible to fall out with are the ones not putting the Knicks best interests first. Or at least considering the options. I have no confidence whatsoever in what he will do in free agency anyway. Maybe his departure will give us a much better chance of building a competitive ball club over the next couple of years, I can't see many of the elite FA's come anywhere near the Garden with him still there. He's managed to cause conflict in just about every key relationship within the Knicks, he's landed us with the atrocious Noah deal, he's landed us with the Melo NTC, he's fallen out with the best young player we have had in many many years, he barely attends road games etc etc. In short we can do a lot better especially for the money lavished on him. I don't believe we are going anywhere?under his 'leadership' and if thats the case why are we sticking by him.

What ELITE players were coming anyway??? This is the flawed logic of Fans that has kept this Franchise from building a proper team and culture. We NEVER let a Prez/GM finish what they started.
Phil finally has this team on a clear direction. We know exactly what kind of players he was bringing in and he did EXACTLY as he stated he would. Smart 2Way players that excel at Team Ball.

To change course right as things were being built is crazy.
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6/28/2017  3:00 AM
If Dolan *cough*Melo*cough* actually gets rid of Phil what can we expect?

1. Trade Frank for an established player.
2. Sign Chris Paul
3. Trade future picks for more washed up.talent.
4. Maybe win 44 games
5. First round playoff exit
6. No hope, after being so.damn.close.

This comes to pass I may have to hang up my Knicks jersey for awhile, would be too heartbreaking.

The new new core: Randle, RJ, IQ. Maybe Mitch. Future pick. Future trade. Future FA.
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