yellowboy90 wrote:The problem I have with Frank over Smith is that Frank is not a pg or a sg right now and he might never grow into a pg. The other problem is he comes into a system that more than likely will be put out to pasture in a year or two. He isn't coming into a stable culture and personally I don't want Ram is around Frank. Finally, I know prognosticators are not always right and they could be very wrong about Frank but for the most part everyone sees his upside as an average to slightly above average player. On ther other side when they project Smith Jr most view his down side as an average player and his upside as being a future stud. The guy has a real chance to be the best player in this draft.

This is the exact reason why I wanted Smith over Frank especially at 8!

Uptown wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:The problem I have with Frank over Smith is that Frank is not a pg or a sg right now and he might never grow into a pg. The other problem is he comes into a system that more than likely will be put out to pasture in a year or two. He isn't coming into a stable culture and personally I don't want Ram is around Frank. Finally, I know prognosticators are not always right and they could be very wrong about Frank but for the most part everyone sees his upside as an average to slightly above average player. On ther other side when they project Smith Jr most view his down side as an average player and his upside as being a future stud. The guy has a real chance to be the best player in this draft.

This is the exact reason why I wanted Smith over Frank especially at 8!

All I can do is trust our scouts. They had the option to take Monk or DSJ and took Nitty. They believe they saw something special in Nitty. These guys don't like to be wrong. Their rep and job depends on getting it right. I don't think our scouts are vouching for a player unless they're convinced of his ability. No one is perfect at projecting but the Knicks scouts have been very thorough and done a good job.

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Uptown wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:The problem I have with Frank over Smith is that Frank is not a pg or a sg right now and he might never grow into a pg. The other problem is he comes into a system that more than likely will be put out to pasture in a year or two. He isn't coming into a stable culture and personally I don't want Ram is around Frank. Finally, I know prognosticators are not always right and they could be very wrong about Frank but for the most part everyone sees his upside as an average to slightly above average player. On ther other side when they project Smith Jr most view his down side as an average player and his upside as being a future stud. The guy has a real chance to be the best player in this draft.

This is the exact reason why I wanted Smith over Frank especially at 8!

No.. his downside is a pouty me first player with a bad knee. But yea... carry on

True....but his upside trumps Franks, IMO, and at 8 you take the best player available. It's a crap shoot....Westbrook had a similar injury to Smith and just put up career numbers....I said it before, my major probelm with Frank is taking him at 8. If he was the Knicks guy, I would have liked to have seen them trade back and get an additional asset.

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fishmike wrote:Classic Knick fans... "if another team is excited about a player taken after us it must mean we phucked up"

This only applies to those who complain after the fact....Some of us supported Smith at 8 in numerous threads before the draft.

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Uptown wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:The problem I have with Frank over Smith is that Frank is not a pg or a sg right now and he might never grow into a pg. The other problem is he comes into a system that more than likely will be put out to pasture in a year or two. He isn't coming into a stable culture and personally I don't want Ram is around Frank. Finally, I know prognosticators are not always right and they could be very wrong about Frank but for the most part everyone sees his upside as an average to slightly above average player. On ther other side when they project Smith Jr most view his down side as an average player and his upside as being a future stud. The guy has a real chance to be the best player in this draft.

This is the exact reason why I wanted Smith over Frank especially at 8!

No.. his downside is a pouty me first player with a bad knee. But yea... carry on

True....but his upside trumps Franks, IMO, and at 8 you take the best player available. It's a crap shoot....Westbrook had a similar injury to Smith and just put up career numbers....I said it before, my major probelm with Frank is taking him at 8. If he was the Knicks guy, I would have liked to have seen them trade back and get an additional asset.

Westbrook isn't just Westbrook because he is an athletic freak though. Westbrook plays at 120% for 40 mins a game. He is unique in that aspect. Smith is said to be a moody player who only plays when he wants to. Can be turned off and stop caring. Those are things that must be considered coming to NY which these traits never had a happy ending.

Smith's upside is that on offense and being a play maker. Maybe he becomes a good defender to. But usually when people give their all on offense they tend to conserve energy on defense. Frank's upside is being first team all defense at the G position. To go with a good 3 point shot and PG skills.

As we speak Mike Conley popped in my head. Frank a 6'5 Mike Conley.

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Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:The problem I have with Frank over Smith is that Frank is not a pg or a sg right now and he might never grow into a pg. The other problem is he comes into a system that more than likely will be put out to pasture in a year or two. He isn't coming into a stable culture and personally I don't want Ram is around Frank. Finally, I know prognosticators are not always right and they could be very wrong about Frank but for the most part everyone sees his upside as an average to slightly above average player. On ther other side when they project Smith Jr most view his down side as an average player and his upside as being a future stud. The guy has a real chance to be the best player in this draft.

This is the exact reason why I wanted Smith over Frank especially at 8!

No.. his downside is a pouty me first player with a bad knee. But yea... carry on

True....but his upside trumps Franks, IMO, and at 8 you take the best player available. It's a crap shoot....Westbrook had a similar injury to Smith and just put up career numbers....I said it before, my major probelm with Frank is taking him at 8. If he was the Knicks guy, I would have liked to have seen them trade back and get an additional asset.

So if you get to compare Smith to Westbrook I get to compare Frank to Gary Payton, and I will take the guy who can change the game on both ends.

Also your assumption that Frank would be available later and also assume the KNicks could have traded down is just that. You made up a scenario based on your opinion than used it to criticize the Knicks execution. Not really much of a backing there.

Dennis Smith is about Dennis Smith. Ntilikina is about the team and winning. So there is that also right? I would have had no problem with Smith but there were no shortage of reasons to pass on him.

I'm not comparing their games or saying Smith has the potential to be on Westbrooks level. I'm comparing their injuries as pg's and The fact that Westbrook suffered the same injury and thus far and has not had any setbacks...I think you know what I meant...

These accusations about Smith are pure speculation...It was alot of turmoil in NC State. Obviously, these character issues didn't scare off the Mavs a team that already won a 'chip. Wouldn't you think Carlisle who just dealt with Rondo, would be hesitant to take Smith? Instead they were thrilled to get him.

There wasn't another guard on the board on the board that had the same potential as Smith that was drafted after him IMO. A case can be made that there were guards with similar size, skills and potential to Frank that were picked after him...

In the end, I'm a Knick fan so I'm hoping that Frank turns into to a good player for us....

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fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:The problem I have with Frank over Smith is that Frank is not a pg or a sg right now and he might never grow into a pg. The other problem is he comes into a system that more than likely will be put out to pasture in a year or two. He isn't coming into a stable culture and personally I don't want Ram is around Frank. Finally, I know prognosticators are not always right and they could be very wrong about Frank but for the most part everyone sees his upside as an average to slightly above average player. On ther other side when they project Smith Jr most view his down side as an average player and his upside as being a future stud. The guy has a real chance to be the best player in this draft.

This is the exact reason why I wanted Smith over Frank especially at 8!

No.. his downside is a pouty me first player with a bad knee. But yea... carry on

True....but his upside trumps Franks, IMO, and at 8 you take the best player available. It's a crap shoot....Westbrook had a similar injury to Smith and just put up career numbers....I said it before, my major probelm with Frank is taking him at 8. If he was the Knicks guy, I would have liked to have seen them trade back and get an additional asset.

So if you get to compare Smith to Westbrook I get to compare Frank to Gary Payton, and I will take the guy who can change the game on both ends.

Also your assumption that Frank would be available later and also assume the KNicks could have traded down is just that. You made up a scenario based on your opinion than used it to criticize the Knicks execution. Not really much of a backing there.

Dennis Smith is about Dennis Smith. Ntilikina is about the team and winning. So there is that also right? I would have had no problem with Smith but there were no shortage of reasons to pass on him.

I'm not comparing their games or saying Smith has the potential to be on Westbrooks level. I'm comparing their injuries as pg's and The fact that Westbrook suffered the same injury and thus far and has not had any setbacks...I think you know what I meant...

These accusations about Smith are pure speculation...It was alot of turmoil in NC State. Obviously, these character issues didn't scare off the Mavs a team that already won a 'chip. Wouldn't you think Carlisle who just dealt with Rondo, would be hesitant to take Smith? Instead they were thrilled to get him.

There wasn't another guard on the board on the board that had the same potential as Smith that was drafted after him IMO. A case can be made that there were guards with similar size, skills and potential to Frank that were picked after him...

In the end, I'm a Knick fan so I'm hoping that Frank turns into to a good player for us....

Both Frank and Monk are better shooters. Frank is the only one of the 3 with all team defense potential, although I certainly admit Frank's future as a PG is no sure thing.

Only time will tell. Every year good guards are passed up. Scouting in the NBA isnt easy, but especially as we have a pair of guys in the frontcourt, both who can score, I love the idea of a wing who's slated to be an elite defender.