dacash wrote:who do we send over?

Would I take Carroll, 23rd pick for a salary dump?
YES.

NardDogNation wrote:He was selected 23rd in this draft by the Raptors and as we all know, they will have a financial bacrunch this offseason trying to retain so many free agents. Would they be interested in giving up the rights to Anunoby and a future 2nd round pick if we agree to take DeMarre Carroll and the 2yrs/$28 million left on his deal? Would you all be interested in making that type of deal?

nyknickzingis wrote:

dacash wrote:who do we send over?

After July 1st, we'd be under the cap if we let go of Rose, and could take on Carroll's contract with the cap.
Carroll was once a very useful two way big wing. He could play 3 and some 4.
He would be a great Melo replacement IF he's Atlanta Carroll. He's been lost in Toronto.

Would I take Carroll, 23rd pick for a salary dump?
YES.

I wouldn't be terribly optimistic of Carroll returning to form. He seems to be injured almost as often as he's healthy now, which has him looking like he's lost a step. The Raptors, stylistically, might be a bad fit since DeMarre seemed to excel in systems that emphasized ball movement but I wouldn't expect him to be much better even if he found himself in a similar system to what the Hawks use to run. For all intents, he is a bad contract, which is the reason why Toronto would be willing to give up draft picks to move him.

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:He was selected 23rd in this draft by the Raptors and as we all know, they will have a financial bacrunch this offseason trying to retain so many free agents. Would they be interested in giving up the rights to Anunoby and a future 2nd round pick if we agree to take DeMarre Carroll and the 2yrs/$28 million left on his deal? Would you all be interested in making that type of deal?

They are in a tough spot. Ujiri is very sharp. If he brings Lwry back I think you do that deal. You have to hope that you get Anunoby back at Pre-injury form. I think you would need to plan on moving Lee. Not because Carroll fills his spot but because he has deal that an e moved.

The East seems wide open with Butler and George being shipped West and the Celtics unable to do anything about it. I think these developments will embolden the Raptors to be all-in on their present, which increases the likelihood of them packaging picks to move Carroll to moderate their impending luxury tax bill.

I do wonder how far we could take our demands. Would Carroll, rights to Anounoby and their protected first next season be overkill?

If the trade were to materialize, I wouldn't stop there with Carroll's contract. I know the Lakers want to do something about that Deng contract and Carroll's is far more manageable being one year less and saving $3 million per for those two seasons. I'd do Carroll for Deng, the rights to Josh Hart and a 2018 first round pick swap.

P.S., I do wonder where we could ship Courtney Lee too. I think the Pelicans, Thunder and Grizzlies would all have interest but I don't see them coming off any discernable asset for him unless a bad contract is involved in return. And personally, I think Lee is good enough for us to not have to accept bad contracts in return.

newyorknewyork wrote:Add Delon Wright to the mix with O.G and maybe even a 2nd rounder. Toronto needs this move in order to pay Lowry and Ibaka and preserve themselves for a few yrs as a playoff team. Until Jonas comes off the books.

Follow this move up with moving Lee or Holiday(S&t) for Asik and future draft picks, right to swaps yada yada yada. If its Holiday that was moved to the Pelicans. Then follow up on that dumping Lee's contract move they seem to have lined up.

We would have collected Wright, O.G, future first from N.O. to go with our own pics. All to lead into major cap space in 2019-2020.

If assets like Wright and O.G turn into something of substance you can either keep building with development and incoming lotto pick or package them with the lottery pick for an available superstar and still fall back on KP, Willy, Frank (who will be more seasoned) and future picks. Like Wolves just did.

But we arent going to do any of this forward thinking. We are going to sign some mediocre players in order to try and be an 8th seeded playoff team.

And ain't that such a depressing realization? The crazy thing is that we've actually done the hardest part- finding a guy to build around- and we'll still botch it up by rushing the rebuilding process. All we needed to do is find a quasi all-star caliber player via the draft to be Porzingis' no.2 and we'd be well on our way to being a perennial contender in the East. Manage our cap properly to add a third guy that fits the aforementioned description and we'd be well on our way to being contenders outright.

dacash wrote:who do we send over?

Lance Thomas and Kyle o Quinn would be my suggestion. I would make that trade.

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Add Delon Wright to the mix with O.G and maybe even a 2nd rounder. Toronto needs this move in order to pay Lowry and Ibaka and preserve themselves for a few yrs as a playoff team. Until Jonas comes off the books.

Follow this move up with moving Lee or Holiday(S&t) for Asik and future draft picks, right to swaps yada yada yada. If its Holiday that was moved to the Pelicans. Then follow up on that dumping Lee's contract move they seem to have lined up.

We would have collected Wright, O.G, future first from N.O. to go with our own pics. All to lead into major cap space in 2019-2020.

If assets like Wright and O.G turn into something of substance you can either keep building with development and incoming lotto pick or package them with the lottery pick for an available superstar and still fall back on KP, Willy, Frank (who will be more seasoned) and future picks. Like Wolves just did.

But we arent going to do any of this forward thinking. We are going to sign some mediocre players in order to try and be an 8th seeded playoff team.

And ain't that such a depressing realization? The crazy thing is that we've actually done the hardest part- finding a guy to build around- and we'll still botch it up by rushing the rebuilding process. All we needed to do is find a quasi all-star caliber player via the draft to be Porzingis' no.2 and we'd be well on our way to being a perennial contender in the East. Manage our cap properly to add a third guy that fits the aforementioned description and we'd be well on our way to being contenders outright.

All that went out the window with Phil.

We may not starfukk right away, and people will point out that our culture hasand changed and blah blah blah. Then halfway through the season SAS and Woj will start writing "articles" about how the Knicks are wasting Melo's window. Then we will trade our draft picks and youth for mediocre retreads and "all star" had beens.

...Phil was trash and did everything you described. Or are you forgetting the fortune we spent on win-now veterans that didn't stick around past one season (Aaron Afflalo, Robin Lopez, Kevin Seraphin, Derrick Williams, soon to be Derrick Rose) or that we didn't even want past one season but couldn't move (Jose Calderon and Joakim Noah)? Like I pointed out to you before, we could've accrued a slew of draft assets from teams like Sacramento that were interested in contract dumps but instead spent that money on veterans that made us no better.

yellowboy90 wrote:Knicks need to be in the phone trying to get Joseph from TO asap. He would be a nice low cost tudor and stop gap.

In order to get him would cost taking on Carroll making it not worth it for us. Without taking on Carroll it wouldn't be worth it for Raps.

yellowboy90 wrote:Knicks need to be in the phone trying to get Joseph from TO asap. He would be a nice low cost tudor and stop gap.

I've been a proponent of having Joseph be the sweetner for accepting Carrol's contract but given Joseph's play in Lowry's stead and how reasonably paid he is, I doubt the Raptors would want to move him. Who do they sign to be his replacement that can offer that production at a similar price? Or do you think Delon Wright is that guy?