Leaves the Knicks with Frank/Booker/Jackson/Melo/Willy. Thats a lot of young talent. Hopefully unload Melo and line up to get a top 3 pick next draft while we field the youngest team in the league and grow.

ekstarks94 wrote:KP price is not going down...
When u have a commodity that people want the price never goes down unless you accept a lower price..

Zinger says, if you trade me to team's X, Y and Z, I won't sign any extension with them, I'll opt out the first chance I get when my rookie contract is done and after my one RFA year. Then I'll test FA and see what is out there and give only certain teams a chance to sign me.

Any team interested will consider Zinger is only a rental. Maybe a 1 or 2 or 1 and a half year rental, but a rental nonetheless.

The teams where Zinger would not be a rental, would say, we'll I'm not giving you all the assets you want, I'm going to lowball you, because clearly this guy doesn't want to be on your team and you have to move on from him at some point or lose him for nothing.

Jimmy Butler got traded for really not that much. Why? All he has to say is, if you trade me to a team I don't want, I'll walk as a FA and go where I want ( back to Thibs) Those teams opt out of the chase because the risk/reward is too damn high and removing other bidders from the equation changes the leverage point for the team the player desires to be with long term.

If Zinger truly wants out, the price is going to have to come down, the longer Jackson waits to trade him, the less value he will have as a trade asset. Denver faced this same problem with Melo wanting to leave for NY ( and if Dolan had not taken over the negotiations, maybe Donnie Walsh could have just waited out the Nuggets for a better deal, the original offer for Melo was Wilson Chandler and a first round pick. Trade him here, or lose him for nothing)

Dwight Howard when he was out of Orlando, will he sign an extension? Changed his trade scenario.

Kevin Love when he was out of Minnesota, will he sign an extension? Changed his trade scenario.

James Harden when he was out of OKC, will he sign an extension? Changed his trade scenario.

And on and on and on and on.

You say most players on their rookie deals take the most money to stay with their drafting team for their 2nd contract. This is true. Most players also don't go AWOL on their team runner and refuse to speak to him. This is not most rookie players in most rookie situations. It's just not.

Here are other considerations. If Zinger gets past his 4th year, he can sign a 1 year tender during his 5th year in the league. The Knicks can hold onto him that one extra year, but THEY CAN'T TRADE HIM. This was the problem with Greg Monroe and the Pistons. That means if he's gonna get traded, it's going to have to be with enough clearance time where the true desperation clock doesn't set in. The other factor is injury. If Zinger gets hurt, and he's a thin big man, no team is going to go for him, or won't at any functional price. The longer you hold onto him, the bigger the chance he gets hurt and possibly hurt long term where his value sinks to nothing. If Zinger blew out his ACL today, that's basically a two year injury. Where does that leave his trade value then?

The price is going to have to come down. Doesn't matter how you feel, doesn't matter how I feel. It's a function of the actual NBA marketplace at work.

TripleThreat wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:KP price is not going down...
When u have a commodity that people want the price never goes down unless you accept a lower price..

Zinger says, if you trade me to team's X, Y and Z, I won't sign any extension with them, I'll opt out the first chance I get when my rookie contract is done and after my one RFA year. Then I'll test FA and see what is out there and give only certain teams a chance to sign me.

Any team interested will consider Zinger is only a rental. Maybe a 1 or 2 or 1 and a half year rental, but a rental nonetheless.

The teams where Zinger would not be a rental, would say, we'll I'm not giving you all the assets you want, I'm going to lowball you, because clearly this guy doesn't want to be on your team and you have to move on from him at some point or lose him for nothing.

Jimmy Butler got traded for really not that much. Why? All he has to say is, if you trade me to a team I don't want, I'll walk as a FA and go where I want ( back to Thibs) Those teams opt out of the chase because the risk/reward is too damn high and removing other bidders from the equation changes the leverage point for the team the player desires to be with long term.

If Zinger truly wants out, the price is going to have to come down, the longer Jackson waits to trade him, the less value he will have as a trade asset. Denver faced this same problem with Melo wanting to leave for NY ( and if Dolan had not taken over the negotiations, maybe Donnie Walsh could have just waited out the Nuggets for a better deal, the original offer for Melo was Wilson Chandler and a first round pick. Trade him here, or lose him for nothing)

Dwight Howard when he was out of Orlando, will he sign an extension? Changed his trade scenario.

Kevin Love when he was out of Minnesota, will he sign an extension? Changed his trade scenario.

James Harden when he was out of OKC, will he sign an extension? Changed his trade scenario.

And on and on and on and on.

You say most players on their rookie deals take the most money to stay with their drafting team for their 2nd contract. This is true. Most players also don't go AWOL on their team runner and refuse to speak to him. This is not most rookie players in most rookie situations. It's just not.

Here are other considerations. If Zinger gets past his 4th year, he can sign a 1 year tender during his 5th year in the league. The Knicks can hold onto him that one extra year, but THEY CAN'T TRADE HIM. This was the problem with Greg Monroe and the Pistons. That means if he's gonna get traded, it's going to have to be with enough clearance time where the true desperation clock doesn't set in. The other factor is injury. If Zinger gets hurt, and he's a thin big man, no team is going to go for him, or won't at any functional price. The longer you hold onto him, the bigger the chance he gets hurt and possibly hurt long term where his value sinks to nothing. If Zinger blew out his ACL today, that's basically a two year injury. Where does that leave his trade value then?

The price is going to have to come down. Doesn't matter how you feel, doesn't matter how I feel. It's a function of the actual NBA marketplace at work.

I take it that you believe KPs brother...they are blowing smoke up your skirt...unless KP is earning a helluva lot off the court...his agent would be negligent in telling him to turn down that 5th yr...with 2 yrs under control that is not a rental....otherwise why did every team line up to put a package together...Jimmy Butler deal is Jimmy Butler.....I believe CHI could have gotten more but they took the deal that was presented...not saying Phil will get dollar for dollar but he damn sure ain't getting less than 80...

Can't talk about injuries and if we wait etc....that is part of the game...which is ruled by sell high....we need to get this impasse with him and the team settled if not I say trade him before the season starts....

If Kp has another strong year the package will get better ...$hit KP been hurt at seasons end both years and Ainge was hunting for another pick to meet Phils demands...PHX was going to give us a first and two players drafted last year in Benedict and Chris's....

Players like KP do not hit the trade market on their rookie deal.....unless they are busts like dangelo Russell...

Do you realize the entire draft day was dominated by the KP trade talk and everything grinder to a halt until Phil said the deals on the table are not enough.....

TripleThreat wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:KP price is not going down...
When u have a commodity that people want the price never goes down unless you accept a lower price..

Zinger says, if you trade me to team's X, Y and Z, I won't sign any extension with them, I'll opt out the first chance I get when my rookie contract is done and after my one RFA year. Then I'll test FA and see what is out there and give only certain teams a chance to sign me.

Any team interested will consider Zinger is only a rental. Maybe a 1 or 2 or 1 and a half year rental, but a rental nonetheless.

The teams where Zinger would not be a rental, would say, we'll I'm not giving you all the assets you want, I'm going to lowball you, because clearly this guy doesn't want to be on your team and you have to move on from him at some point or lose him for nothing.

Jimmy Butler got traded for really not that much. Why? All he has to say is, if you trade me to a team I don't want, I'll walk as a FA and go where I want ( back to Thibs) Those teams opt out of the chase because the risk/reward is too damn high and removing other bidders from the equation changes the leverage point for the team the player desires to be with long term.

If Zinger truly wants out, the price is going to have to come down, the longer Jackson waits to trade him, the less value he will have as a trade asset. Denver faced this same problem with Melo wanting to leave for NY ( and if Dolan had not taken over the negotiations, maybe Donnie Walsh could have just waited out the Nuggets for a better deal, the original offer for Melo was Wilson Chandler and a first round pick. Trade him here, or lose him for nothing)

Dwight Howard when he was out of Orlando, will he sign an extension? Changed his trade scenario.

Kevin Love when he was out of Minnesota, will he sign an extension? Changed his trade scenario.

James Harden when he was out of OKC, will he sign an extension? Changed his trade scenario.

And on and on and on and on.

You say most players on their rookie deals take the most money to stay with their drafting team for their 2nd contract. This is true. Most players also don't go AWOL on their team runner and refuse to speak to him. This is not most rookie players in most rookie situations. It's just not.

Here are other considerations. If Zinger gets past his 4th year, he can sign a 1 year tender during his 5th year in the league. The Knicks can hold onto him that one extra year, but THEY CAN'T TRADE HIM. This was the problem with Greg Monroe and the Pistons. That means if he's gonna get traded, it's going to have to be with enough clearance time where the true desperation clock doesn't set in. The other factor is injury. If Zinger gets hurt, and he's a thin big man, no team is going to go for him, or won't at any functional price. The longer you hold onto him, the bigger the chance he gets hurt and possibly hurt long term where his value sinks to nothing. If Zinger blew out his ACL today, that's basically a two year injury. Where does that leave his trade value then?

The price is going to have to come down. Doesn't matter how you feel, doesn't matter how I feel. It's a function of the actual NBA marketplace at work.

Also teams take chances....teams are trying trade for Paul George thinking that they can convince him.....however KP will be a restricted FA ...so u believe that he will sign the tender and go into free agency....no way....no one is risking that unles KP is balling out on the court....players want security....it is difficult for a rookie to go down the path to FA....they want that 5th yr...KP won't be no different unless the team he gets traded to has even more dysfunction.

TripleThreat wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:KP price is not going down...
When u have a commodity that people want the price never goes down unless you accept a lower price..

Zinger says, if you trade me to team's X, Y and Z, I won't sign any extension with them, I'll opt out the first chance I get when my rookie contract is done and after my one RFA year. Then I'll test FA and see what is out there and give only certain teams a chance to sign me.

Any team interested will consider Zinger is only a rental. Maybe a 1 or 2 or 1 and a half year rental, but a rental nonetheless.

The teams where Zinger would not be a rental, would say, we'll I'm not giving you all the assets you want, I'm going to lowball you, because clearly this guy doesn't want to be on your team and you have to move on from him at some point or lose him for nothing.

Jimmy Butler got traded for really not that much. Why? All he has to say is, if you trade me to a team I don't want, I'll walk as a FA and go where I want ( back to Thibs) Those teams opt out of the chase because the risk/reward is too damn high and removing other bidders from the equation changes the leverage point for the team the player desires to be with long term.

If Zinger truly wants out, the price is going to have to come down, the longer Jackson waits to trade him, the less value he will have as a trade asset. Denver faced this same problem with Melo wanting to leave for NY ( and if Dolan had not taken over the negotiations, maybe Donnie Walsh could have just waited out the Nuggets for a better deal, the original offer for Melo was Wilson Chandler and a first round pick. Trade him here, or lose him for nothing)

Dwight Howard when he was out of Orlando, will he sign an extension? Changed his trade scenario.

Kevin Love when he was out of Minnesota, will he sign an extension? Changed his trade scenario.

James Harden when he was out of OKC, will he sign an extension? Changed his trade scenario.

And on and on and on and on.

You say most players on their rookie deals take the most money to stay with their drafting team for their 2nd contract. This is true. Most players also don't go AWOL on their team runner and refuse to speak to him. This is not most rookie players in most rookie situations. It's just not.

Here are other considerations. If Zinger gets past his 4th year, he can sign a 1 year tender during his 5th year in the league. The Knicks can hold onto him that one extra year, but THEY CAN'T TRADE HIM. This was the problem with Greg Monroe and the Pistons. That means if he's gonna get traded, it's going to have to be with enough clearance time where the true desperation clock doesn't set in. The other factor is injury. If Zinger gets hurt, and he's a thin big man, no team is going to go for him, or won't at any functional price. The longer you hold onto him, the bigger the chance he gets hurt and possibly hurt long term where his value sinks to nothing. If Zinger blew out his ACL today, that's basically a two year injury. Where does that leave his trade value then?

The price is going to have to come down. Doesn't matter how you feel, doesn't matter how I feel. It's a function of the actual NBA marketplace at work.