fishmike wrote:Phil is as infuriating as Isiah. Isiah was a tough 2 way player with heart and signed nothing but creampuffs. Zen-master Phils attempt to build some kind of basketball culture has actually made things look worse.

Phil does draft well... I think at this point the best scenario is Phil finishes out his contract, continues to add good talent and when he's gone we turn the ship over to someone who can simply deal with the people better. Although its Dolan's garden so that is most surely a pipe dream

I appreciate Phil trying to build something. And I guess he's trying to build something he knows. He's missing a coach that can be a partner, and he's not flexible enough to realize since he has no coaching tree, he needs to change, and work with, not through, Hornacek.

fishmike wrote:Phil is as infuriating as Isiah. Isiah was a tough 2 way player with heart and signed nothing but creampuffs. Zen-master Phils attempt to build some kind of basketball culture has actually made things look worse.

Phil does draft well... I think at this point the best scenario is Phil finishes out his contract, continues to add good talent and when he's gone we turn the ship over to someone who can simply deal with the people better. Although its Dolan's garden so that is most surely a pipe dream

MEH! I see no comparison between Isiah and Phil. I actually think Phil is right about finding players that aren't TAINTED by AAU mentality and NBA Entitled lifestyle!

I actually don't think Phil's interpersonal skills are a match for the type of BIG BABY types in the NBA. Popovich, Riley, Carlisle, Thibs, Van Gundy don't mess around either. LMA is trying to get out of San Antonio. WHY?

According to a person with knowledge of the Spurs forward’s situation, it’s the 31-year-old’s unhappiness in San Antonio that is the driving force behind the Spurs’ trade talks on Thursday. The five-time All-Star, according to the person, is hopeful that San Antonio can find a better fit for his talents.

But the Spurs’ way is different, with coach Gregg Popovich less inclined to feature individual talents and Leonard’s emergence these past two seasons ensuring that he’s their epicenter. The track record is impeccable, of course, what with the Spurs having won five championships since 1999

To many of these players are too worried about their brands or having to sacrifice, than actually buying into what it takes to win.

Now as for Phil's attempts at building a culture, that hasn't been totally a failure with his teams. Mainly it's the RESISTANT mentality of a few Vets that have caused the problems. Now we'll have far fewer of those kinds of guys going forward. That may help the overall CULTURE to change.

stanleybostitch wrote:

nixluva wrote:To many of these players are too worried about their brands or having to sacrifice, than actually buying into what it takes to win.

Now as for Phil's attempts at building a culture, that hasn't been totally a failure with his teams. Mainly it's the RESISTANT mentality of a few Vets that have caused the problems. Now we'll have far fewer of those kinds of guys going forward. That may help the overall CULTURE to change.

Spot on. We are moving forward with a great foundation of youth, picks, cap, and adoption of system ball. Sprinkle in 3-5yrs and what do you get? CHAMPIONSHIP.

Trading Rolo for Rose was not a good move but it was necessary to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Incredible Sulk couldn't even take a team with two 18 point scorers one of which happens to be a top 5 rim protector, a 3 and D guy and an up and coming center to the playoffs in the Leastern conference. But yeah he is a "multiple time allstar and scoring champion" and that's what we need to focus on, because the roster is never good enough for the UltimateDiva.

If we just cut this loser from the team that would still be 5 years too late.

Anyway I love where we are and I look forward to this season and the next off season sand draft. We're 2 seasons away.

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Phil's biggest issue was thinking he could make Melo change. Trying to put a playoff team around this career loser to see whether it would work was a bad plan. He should have let Melo go after his contract ran out. The stupid people who care more about Melo than they care about the Knicks would kill him no matter what. At the end of the day he has wasted 3 years tryinng to win Melo over. And the Knicks will pay the price for that. Then the Noah contract was a really dumb move as well. But getting rid of Shump and JR, trading for Rolo were all moves I can support.

Trading Rolo for Rose was not a good move but it was necessary to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Incredible Sulk couldn't even take a team with two 18 point scorers one of which happens to be a top 5 rim protector, a 3 and D guy and an up and coming center to the playoffs in the Leastern conference. But yeah he is a "multiple time allstar and scoring champion" and that's what we need to focus on, because the roster is never good enough for the UltimateDiva.

If we just cut this loser from the team that would still be 5 years too late.

I think you are right about thinking Melo could change. He was a 12 or 13 year vet at that point and he was he was But I disagree that he tried to put a playoff team around Melo. Maybe he tried but he missed badly with the guys he went out and got. This past year the team was lacking talent. KP's first year, the roster was much less clumsy and had a shot but Melo got hurt in the Celtic game, Fish got fired, and Rambis took over. Things just fell apart.

LOL -A team starting Melo, Rose and KP with Lee was lacking in talent. So they couldn't make it to the playoffs in tbe East - Cant make this **** up. SMDH

Knickoftime wrote:

EnySpree wrote:What's frustrating to me is that everybody is so quick to just make these jokes and how Jackson is senile and stupid and all this kind of nonsense. It's like embarrassing. Not because we're losing. It's embarrassing because everyone just automatically just makes jokes it's all over ESPN is all over NBA TV is all in the streets everywhere I'm like sick of it. Phil Jackson came over three years ago it's not like he came over 15 years ago. He came over three years ago. It's going to take awhile to to rebuild. In the beginning he was trying to tank and win now. We got KP. We then tried to win now for 2 seasons and still rebuild it didn't work. So it's like you know what I'm so sick of people It's unbelievable. It steals the Joy from being a fan of a team. It's not all about who you can get and sign. Nobody wants to play here and novody wants to play with Melo. Phil Jackson learned that the Hard way and at the expense of his reputation. Sucks....

Anyway I love where we are and I look forward to this season and the next off season sand draft. We're 2 seasons away.

I'd suggest either removing yourself from or stop caring about the social media/media bubble. It's literally in everyone's power just to make it go away, like that.

It's like the Porzingis stuff the last few days. Since absolutely nothing happened, not spending a week anxious about something happening was objectively the better choice.

What you're talking about above is effectively intangible. It literally only even exists if you let it.

True.
To counter this I suggest everyone learn to meditate.
If you think that Phil has any issues with what is going on you are mistaken.
When every stupid reporter think Phil is getting a nap, he is just meditating.
It clears your mind from all b-**** and helps to make the best decision available at the moment.
If one cannot take care about his own mind - it will kill him rather sooner that later.
Knicks will be fine but it will take a while.
It took rangers 6-7 years to get out of the starpunching hole and now they were in the cup run 9 of 10 years and get really close.
And they are loaded moving forward.
Just sit, close your eyes, take a deep breath, observe you thoughts, and let them go, don't fight.
You be in much better place in 10 min.

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Phil's biggest issue was thinking he could make Melo change. Trying to put a playoff team around this career loser to see whether it would work was a bad plan. He should have let Melo go after his contract ran out. The stupid people who care more about Melo than they care about the Knicks would kill him no matter what. At the end of the day he has wasted 3 years tryinng to win Melo over. And the Knicks will pay the price for that. Then the Noah contract was a really dumb move as well. But getting rid of Shump and JR, trading for Rolo were all moves I can support.

Trading Rolo for Rose was not a good move but it was necessary to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Incredible Sulk couldn't even take a team with two 18 point scorers one of which happens to be a top 5 rim protector, a 3 and D guy and an up and coming center to the playoffs in the Leastern conference. But yeah he is a "multiple time allstar and scoring champion" and that's what we need to focus on, because the roster is never good enough for the UltimateDiva.

If we just cut this loser from the team that would still be 5 years too late.

I think you are right about thinking Melo could change. He was a 12 or 13 year vet at that point and he was he was But I disagree that he tried to put a playoff team around Melo. Maybe he tried but he missed badly with the guys he went out and got. This past year the team was lacking talent. KP's first year, the roster was much less clumsy and had a shot but Melo got hurt in the Celtic game, Fish got fired, and Rambis took over. Things just fell apart.

LOL -A team starting Melo, Rose and KP with Lee was lacking in talent. So they couldn't make it to the playoffs in tbe East - Cant make this **** up. SMDH

I know you have a handle to uphold, but would you honestly say as talented as Rose and Lee may be, either played any defense?

stanleybostitch wrote:I unfortunately watched five minutes of ESPN prior to the draft starting, and the announcers were making fun of Phil and the Knicks like it was the cool thing to do. Based on nothing. Idiots. And I cannot get that five minutes of my life back.

When you listen to fools mob rules...