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BRIGGS
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6/23/2017  12:14 PM
I think they did a fine job--nothing wrong with what they did. They brought in shooters with good size who defend and they have a nice looking athletic Euro who has some Jeremy lin in him. I wouldve rather had Burton than Cornett --but they seemed high on Cornett.

It mightve been smart for PJ to just keep quiet about KP--the guy goes all season without saying a word and then 24 hours before the draft--throws a nuclear bomb out. I think some people were like--ok I like KP but the packages we heard or even close to it sounded quite intriguing.

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6/23/2017  12:21 PM
phil was never serious about trading kp..who the hell was going to cough up 1 top 5 pick, 1 middle of the draft pick and 2 starters, for kp and the 8th pick... that was completely laughable.

no on in the last 3 drafts was worth that.

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6/23/2017  12:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/23/2017  12:22 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I think they did a fine job--nothing wrong with what they did. They brought in shooters with good size who defend and they have a nice looking athletic Euro who has some Jeremy lin in him. I wouldve rather had Burton than Cornett --but they seemed high on Cornett.

It mightve been smart for PJ to just keep quiet about KP--the guy goes all season without saying a word and then 24 hours before the draft--throws a nuclear bomb out. I think some people were like--ok I like KP but the packages we heard or even close to it sounded quite intriguing.

Im just guessing that because of the cold war with KP and Janis, the phone would ring. I think its Phil's job to listen, and if there is interest he can go back and up the price.
Better it come from him then leaky rumors. Deandre Jordan was rumored to be floated as was Drummond. Nothing has happend. Its very possible phil calls KP's people and lets them know he is talking but its not like knicks don't want him, but at the right price EVERYONE is available.

Some of the stuff floated out there was awesome and if a team bit on what Phil wanted, then it should have been done. Maybe teams thought they could fleece us.
for all we know its Mills actually on the phone and not Phil.

We just don't know. Except Knicks1248. He knows it all.

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6/23/2017  12:23 PM
knicks1248 wrote:phil was never serious about trading kp..who the hell was going to cough up 1 top 5 pick, 1 middle of the draft pick and 2 starters, for kp and the 8th pick... that was completely laughable.

no on in the last 3 drafts was worth that.

Your making stuff up again.

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6/23/2017  12:37 PM
I like the draft was well. We needed backcourt help and they went and got backcourt help. I love the French kid. I would have been happy with either him or monk but Frank's passing ability is a welcome change from rose.

I think Dotson is going to impress in the triangle. Dude can shoot and with teams doubling on KP and Melo he should be open a lot. Those open looks baker and holiday are getting will be there

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6/23/2017  12:45 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I think they did a fine job--nothing wrong with what they did. They brought in shooters with good size who defend and they have a nice looking athletic Euro who has some Jeremy lin in him. I wouldve rather had Burton than Cornett --but they seemed high on Cornett.

It mightve been smart for PJ to just keep quiet about KP--the guy goes all season without saying a word and then 24 hours before the draft--throws a nuclear bomb out. I think some people were like--ok I like KP but the packages we heard or even close to it sounded quite intriguing.

PJ is his own man. His public comments told KP two things in two no uncertain terms: (1) we think super highly of you, but (2) don't fool yourself -- I'll ship your ass out of town if I think it makes the team better. Get in line and cut the crap if you're serious about staying here.

I like it; I know others don't

We'll see how it plays out

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6/23/2017  12:46 PM
knicks1248 wrote:phil was never serious about trading kp..who the hell was going to cough up 1 top 5 pick, 1 middle of the draft pick and 2 starters, for kp and the 8th pick... that was completely laughable.

no on in the last 3 drafts was worth that.

The 8th pick wasn't involved in any of the discussions. You are way off. The deal you have mentioned is something many teams would have done. Phil was looking for 2 top picks and 2 starters/prospects for Kp straight up, no 8th pick included.

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6/23/2017  12:46 PM
I was a little disappointed that they went Nitty instead of Monk but I understand the emphasis on D and Versatility that Phil said was going to be his focus. Hopefully Nitty not only plays great D but maybe surprises with improvement Offensively. He's an impressive kid. He was very honest in saying he intends to work on improving his scoring ability and considers his defense as his strength right now.

Dotson and Jaramaz look like Phil players we've come to expect as do Hayes and Kornet. All good system fits which should enhance execution going forward. Again Knicks don't do sexy in the draft under Phil but he did say that he wasn't necessarily looking at flashy athletes with elite Hops etc. He did what he said he would do.

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6/23/2017  12:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/23/2017  12:52 PM
I'm like the draft too. Some are bitchin about passing up DSJ BUT I'm not(his injury history scares me and his lack of defense too). Frank is younger, playing in pro ball, and can actually defend which we haven't had in years and years. 2nd round picks are always a "wait and see" type thing but I like what we did we got a guy who can shoot and play d and another bug guard so maybe they ca turn into good role players off the bench
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6/23/2017  12:56 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:I'm like the draft too. Some are bitchin about passing up DSJ BUT I'm not(his injury history scares me and his lack of defense too). Frank is younger, playing in pro ball, and can actually defend which we haven't had in years and years. 2nd round picks are always a "wait and see" type thing but I like what we did we got a guy who can shoot and play d and another bug guard so maybe they ca turn into good role players off the bench

I would have been fine with Frank or Smith jr. I think the Knicks did the best thing for the Knicks. When you evaluate potential draft picks you have to look at injury history and character. Smith had some concerns in both areas. I think he will be a great player. I also think he has a better chance to succeed with the Mavs. But there were concerns and Frank seems like a good fit.
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6/23/2017  1:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/23/2017  1:02 PM
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StarksEwing1 wrote:I'm like the draft too. Some are bitchin about passing up DSJ BUT I'm not(his injury history scares me and his lack of defense too). Frank is younger, playing in pro ball, and can actually defend which we haven't had in years and years. 2nd round picks are always a "wait and see" type thing but I like what we did we got a guy who can shoot and play d and another bug guard so maybe they ca turn into good role players off the bench

I would have been fine with Frank or Smith jr. I think the Knicks did the best thing for the Knicks. When you evaluate potential draft picks you have to look at injury history and character. Smith had some concerns in both areas. I think he will be a great player. I also think he has a better chance to succeed with the Mavs. But there were concerns and Frank seems like a good fit.
Don't me wrong I'm not saying Smith Jr will be a bust but I don't think he fits with us. We desperately needed a guard who can defend because that has been a issue for years and I guarantee that its a major reason why we have lost many close games the last couple years. I'm not saying Frank is gonna be a star but i like his upside.
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6/23/2017  1:03 PM
Frank, Kornet, and Hayes have all been system players who are "mature" in how they play the game.

Dotson seemingly decided to work on his game leading up to the draft, and made a concerted effort to show he could pass the ball, but at the very least we have a guy able to knock down Js and compete on the defensive end.

OJ, the Serbian kid, is a wildcard. We are either going to fall in love with him in SL or be frustrated with an out of control game and poor shooting.

Kornet needs to work out and improve his body, and Hayes needs to dedicate himself to the sport.


This should be a good group to observe and analyze in SL.

I like the Kornet/Hayes signings a lot, though I would have liked it if we had picked up a UFA small forward, though I can't say I know much about who was available. Maybe someone is added later.

Also wish we had bought another #2. Seems that it was possible...I assume that the guys we might have taken were off the board.

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6/23/2017  1:09 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I think they did a fine job--nothing wrong with what they did. They brought in shooters with good size who defend and they have a nice looking athletic Euro who has some Jeremy lin in him. I wouldve rather had Burton than Cornett --but they seemed high on Cornett.

It mightve been smart for PJ to just keep quiet about KP--the guy goes all season without saying a word and then 24 hours before the draft--throws a nuclear bomb out. I think some people were like--ok I like KP but the packages we heard or even close to it sounded quite intriguing.

good post. Knicks did a lot of due diligence. They got a good piece and a couple guards worth a long look that could fit in. Danny Ainge said the KP stuff was blown way out of proportion.

Publicly Phil has been a terrible GM, but the young talent on this roster continues to grow and thats #1.

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6/23/2017  1:11 PM
so i don't know if I like #8 or not... that's a huge component for dis/liking of a draft. i will say that I love what they did in the second round and with the signings
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6/23/2017  4:37 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I think they did a fine job--nothing wrong with what they did. They brought in shooters with good size who defend and they have a nice looking athletic Euro who has some Jeremy lin in him. I wouldve rather had Burton than Cornett --but they seemed high on Cornett.

It mightve been smart for PJ to just keep quiet about KP--the guy goes all season without saying a word and then 24 hours before the draft--throws a nuclear bomb out. I think some people were like--ok I like KP but the packages we heard or even close to it sounded quite intriguing.

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Yes he did a good job until they don't do too well

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6/23/2017  6:41 PM
Cant say Im particularly pleased with the draft considering who was on the board at 8. If the Knicks were a contender, or even close to contending, Frank might make a nice pick to fill out the roster. But that's not the case. This team needs a large infusion of talent, and that's what you look for in the lottery. You look for players like Frank in the second round, system picks.

Havent seen the other picks yet, going to do some research, cant say how I feel overall about the draft. I hope Frank has a great career as a Knick. Used to live in France for a while, nice to see a Frenchman on the team, just hope he delivers.

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6/23/2017  6:46 PM
I remember the Red Holzman teams when Phil was a young player. They emphasized ball movement and defense. That's the direction Phil is taking now and I like it. I hope he stays the course.
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6/23/2017  6:50 PM
Ira wrote:I remember the Red Holzman teams when Phil was a young player. They emphasized ball movement and defense. That's the direction Phil is taking now and I like it. I hope he stays the course.

I used to go to those games as a kid. I keep hoping Phil would adopt more of Red Holzman's old system instead. You're right, the ball used to move so fast, I remember being amazed by that, and they never seemed to miss.

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6/23/2017  6:52 PM
The Bulls just got TRADERAPED by Minny and they have up Butler for the shadow of Channing Frye yet we have a bunch of psychotic obsessive depressive types calling Phil the worst GM in tbe league, when the man is actually a team President.
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6/23/2017  7:40 PM
Le Clyde 2 God Willing!
Totally agree w you guys- He can hit an open shot, plays D and is a good passer with long arms-
Sounds like Phil's old roommate.
Everyone says Phil's done nothing but apparently he drafted in KP one of the most desirable players in the league.
I'm cool with a tough system like the triangle or what San Antonio runs. If you can't beat that you won't beat the best and that's what this is about- not winning 50 games on P and R and fizzling out on iso in the playoffs w no D.
GustavBahler wrote:
Ira wrote:I remember the Red Holzman teams when Phil was a young player. They emphasized ball movement and defense. That's the direction Phil is taking now and I like it. I hope he stays the course.

I used to go to those games as a kid. I keep hoping Phil would adopt more of Red Holzman's old system instead. You're right, the ball used to move so fast, I remember being amazed by that, and they never seemed to miss.

If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
I like the Knicks draft

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