fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote: w
I hope we don't rush this kid and don't go nuts with DSJ comparisons and just invest in him being the best Ntilikina he can be. But that's obviously too much to ask for from our fans.

Knicks won't rush Frank. They scout well and use the d league well since Phil has been pres.

I disagree about Knick fans. Look at how many guys are still all in with Phil. How do you defend a guy that falls asleep during workouts, 'forgets' about missed exit meetings, trashes guys e wants to trade before the trade and then takes pennies on the dollar for them, gives out ridicuolous contracts to old, declining, injured guys, won't make the guy he wants to coach the end coach but forces him onto the staff of his coaches, is not very engaged in the job most of the time etc..,guys are still all in with Phil.

who is this army you speak of? Who are these guys? This is a common theme to go off on imaginary adversaries... seriously who are these all in people?

He is just regurgitating ALL of Phil Jacksom's real and imaginary crimes against humanity (mostly imaginary and mostly made up by people like him). Let him be, he is the ToT.

Chandler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote: w
I hope we don't rush this kid and don't go nuts with DSJ comparisons and just invest in him being the best Ntilikina he can be. But that's obviously too much to ask for from our fans.

Knicks won't rush Frank. They scout well and use the d league well since Phil has been pres.

I disagree about Knick fans. Look at how many guys are still all in with Phil. How do you defend a guy that falls asleep during workouts, 'forgets' about missed exit meetings, trashes guys e wants to trade before the trade and then takes pennies on the dollar for them, gives out ridicuolous contracts to old, declining, injured guys, won't make the guy he wants to coach the end coach but forces him onto the staff of his coaches, is not very engaged in the job most of the time etc..,guys are still all in with Phil.

who is this army you speak of? Who are these guys? This is a common theme to go off on imaginary adversaries... seriously who are these all in people?

He is just regurgitating ALL of Phil Jacksom's real and imaginary crimes against humanity (mostly imaginary and mostly made up by people like him). Let him be, he is the ToT.

I think Crush (like crzy) brings up legitimate criticisms and even in this post he found a way to compliment the Knicks scouting and d league

But I agree lately he seems to gravitate to the worst possible interpretations of Phil, e.g., senile, whatever. I'm going to chalk it up to extreme frustration

Everyone will be nicer if we start winning, or at least showing progress with purpose

Dislike the idea in some ways that Phil may have done it due to him being a "triangle" guard, but he does appear to provide us with skills that we have been lacking at the point guard position for years.

Reminds me a little bit of Derrick Harper a bit and Jrue Holiday (who I recall Phil may want to sign).

Dig the wingspan, and defense. Can shoot, and clearly has potential.

Weaknesses are concerning (off the dribble pace/seems quite deliberate, creativity, ball handling) and tend to indicate role player or worst case, bust, but the fact that he has improved a lot in the last year, has good work ethic and attitude and is not even 19 yet says he will get better in at least some of those areas.

I do kind of struggle to see how he can become an All-Star calibre player based on the videos I've seen, but I'm gathering due to his age and growth as a player the last year that this is where that comes from.

I don't think Phil really sees him as a likely star player anyway, and went for a hopefully solid rotation/starter level PG that fills needs most NBA teams look for in their guard rotation (outside shooting, defense, teamwork, BBIQ) accompanied with his length can pose real problems for guards.

Annoyed we were picking so low given how poor we were as a team really, and is why I really wish the NBA would change it's system for deciding the draft order that does not reward tanking nor punish bad teams that try to win games (like the one Knickerblogger suggested months ago).

At least KP is still here...for now.

stanleybostitch wrote:Frank is 190lbs, not 170lbs.

draftexpress has him listed at 170...who knows for sure?

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:Fran Fraschilla said that Fran is neither a pure pg nor a shooting guard. After watching more film on Frank, I think in order for him to reach his full potential and be a legit starter in this league, I think he needs to be groomed as a point. 6'5 is big for a pg, not so much as a shooting guard specially at 170...Below is a clip I found of him running the point and for the most part, running exclusive PNR...If he can play the point and more importantly defend pg's, he has a chance to be a starter in this league....

while this video is vs. his peers this shows a few things. 1) that athletically he is most certainly an NBA athlete and above average there at worst. 2) he most certainly can be a lead guard with a killer instinct. It was that which put him on the map in the first place 3) he's been playing among men and his job is to defend and play mistake free BB

This board is funny...

"Phil has drafted well... look at KP and Willy."
- those are Gaine's picks

"The same staff that scouted KP and Willy picked Ntilikina"
- Phil has phucked up this draft by not taking Dennis Smith

Admittedly, I was one of the main ones venting about selecting Frank over Smith. I still feel like Smith is a better prospect and that if the Knicks were zeroing in on Frank, they probably could have traded back, picked up an asset and select Frank a few picks later. But, Frank is a Knick now, so its time to move forward and hope that he can flourish here.

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:Fran Fraschilla said that Fran is neither a pure pg nor a shooting guard. After watching more film on Frank, I think in order for him to reach his full potential and be a legit starter in this league, I think he needs to be groomed as a point. 6'5 is big for a pg, not so much as a shooting guard specially at 170...Below is a clip I found of him running the point and for the most part, running exclusive PNR...If he can play the point and more importantly defend pg's, he has a chance to be a starter in this league....

while this video is vs. his peers this shows a few things. 1) that athletically he is most certainly an NBA athlete and above average there at worst. 2) he most certainly can be a lead guard with a killer instinct. It was that which put him on the map in the first place 3) he's been playing among men and his job is to defend and play mistake free BB

This board is funny...

"Phil has drafted well... look at KP and Willy."
- those are Gaine's picks

"The same staff that scouted KP and Willy picked Ntilikina"
- Phil has phucked up this draft by not taking Dennis Smith

Admittedly, I was one of the main ones venting about selecting Frank over Smith. I still feel like Smith is a better prospect and that if the Knicks were zeroing in on Frank, they probably could have traded back, picked up an asset and select Frank a few picks later. But, Frank is a Knick now, so its time to move forward and hope that he can flourish here.

This. Phil has done well in the past but that doesn't make him or his scouting team God. I just hope Ntilikina can blossom soon and hopefully turn into George Hill.

TPercy wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:Fran Fraschilla said that Fran is neither a pure pg nor a shooting guard. After watching more film on Frank, I think in order for him to reach his full potential and be a legit starter in this league, I think he needs to be groomed as a point. 6'5 is big for a pg, not so much as a shooting guard specially at 170...Below is a clip I found of him running the point and for the most part, running exclusive PNR...If he can play the point and more importantly defend pg's, he has a chance to be a starter in this league....

while this video is vs. his peers this shows a few things. 1) that athletically he is most certainly an NBA athlete and above average there at worst. 2) he most certainly can be a lead guard with a killer instinct. It was that which put him on the map in the first place 3) he's been playing among men and his job is to defend and play mistake free BB

This board is funny...

"Phil has drafted well... look at KP and Willy."
- those are Gaine's picks

"The same staff that scouted KP and Willy picked Ntilikina"
- Phil has phucked up this draft by not taking Dennis Smith

Admittedly, I was one of the main ones venting about selecting Frank over Smith. I still feel like Smith is a better prospect and that if the Knicks were zeroing in on Frank, they probably could have traded back, picked up an asset and select Frank a few picks later. But, Frank is a Knick now, so its time to move forward and hope that he can flourish here.

This. Phil has done well in the past but that doesn't make him or his scouting team God. I just hope Ntilikina can blossom soon and hopefully turn into George Hill.

Frank is a gym rat, has a good family and support and is a winner. He's shown he can play with pros, fit in as an 18 year old and have an impact playing a role. Before playing that role he took over the U18 and established himself as the best prospect in EU. People act like Smith is a sure thing in Frank is a total mystery. Simply not the case.

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