Posted by tkf:

I don't mind the differences of opinions either, but I think the consensus is that the snide remarks during pro-knicks post and basically every post that usually interrupts the flow of a good converstion is what sometimes gets to people, I mean this is a knicks forum, if you don't like IT's moves then fine but when we are talking about Trevor Ariza or Dermarr johnson is it necessary to throw the conversation for a loop by circling the conversation back to IT and his moves?

I will say this, it is easy to come in here and be the Anti knick or anti thomas, you get the best of both worlds. first of all if the knicks fail you somehow in your mind look like a genius, with the "See I told you so" comments.. Or if the knicks succeeed you can go "Great, I didn't have faith in IT but it worked out" and as a fan isn't that all that matters? winning? so either way you seem to win.. It is like betting against your favorite team, if they lose, you win the money, if they win, you lose the money but your team wins(emotional victory)... All I am saying is that if this team is successful, don't hide, come in here and own up to your comments, just like most us will do if the knicks fail.....

Tell me again why I should try to have any type of serious discussion on this thread anymore?

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by tkf:

I don't mind the differences of opinions either, but I think the consensus is that the snide remarks during pro-knicks post and basically every post that usually interrupts the flow of a good converstion is what sometimes gets to people, I mean this is a knicks forum, if you don't like IT's moves then fine but when we are talking about Trevor Ariza or Dermarr johnson is it necessary to throw the conversation for a loop by circling the conversation back to IT and his moves?

I will say this, it is easy to come in here and be the Anti knick or anti thomas, you get the best of both worlds. first of all if the knicks fail you somehow in your mind look like a genius, with the "See I told you so" comments.. Or if the knicks succeeed you can go "Great, I didn't have faith in IT but it worked out" and as a fan isn't that all that matters? winning? so either way you seem to win.. It is like betting against your favorite team, if they lose, you win the money, if they win, you lose the money but your team wins(emotional victory)... All I am saying is that if this team is successful, don't hide, come in here and own up to your comments, just like most us will do if the knicks fail.....

Actually last year I said that I expected the Knicks to get as high as the 4th or 5th seed after the trade deadline. Was that rooting for them to fail when they were hovering around the 8 and 9 position at the time? Is that being Anti-Knick?

If people want to label me, at least get it right and be consistent. There's nothing wrong with playing Devil's Advocate either in some of these discussions.

Bonn, give it up with the specific alternative already. Everyone here knows how unreasonable that is. Like I'm supposed to know what other GM's would give up in a trade. It's one huge hypothetical where one transaction directly affects every other transaction, so it's ridiculous to even discuss.

Posted by codeunknown:

Attention all posters, veterans and rookies, Islesfan has a plan and it involves definite sucking. And that sucking, mind you, is for years to come. Now, most of the posters here and I don't view sucking as a very appetizing proposition. But, you see, sucking is something Islesfan believes very strongly in - he prefers biting the bullet, grabbing the short end of the stick, bending over backwards even - to get some real bang for his buck.

For whatever reason, Isles thinks that going under the salary cap, a 4 year ordeal in itself, playing the NBA lottery, and begging premier free agents to sign with us is the strategy of choice. But, despite Isles's palpable command of economics, gambling and begging doesn't work.

The NBA is a competition to improve - every team is trying to do it and fast. Now, Ive heard of 1 year plans, 3 year plans - heck even the Human Genome Project had a starting 5 year plan. But, to settle for a 25 year rebuilding plan with no guarantees is sheer buffoonery. What it boils down to, Isles, is the exact same stumbling block from our previous discussion - can you make the argument that an extended sacrifice period is necessary or can improvement be accomplished with intelligent trades and scouting? Looking at our team, we are 1 defensive, athletic center away from being major contenders. Stripping the club to the minimum is not necessary for obtaining that final piece.

As DJ said, its all in good fun. Hope you don't take my posts personally.

[Edited by - codeunknown on 08/20/2004 13:23:54]