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BRIGGS
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8/19/2004  10:52 PM
C_ Blount 7-0 255
PF Jefferson 6-10 260
SF Pierce 6-6 235
SG Davis 6-7 200
PG Payton 6-4 190
C Lafrentz 6-11 245
PF Gugliotta 6-10 250
SF Welsch 6-7 210
SG Tony Allen 6-4 215
PG Banks 6-1 200


PG West 6-4 180
C Perkins 6-10 280

this is an example of whati think is a deeper longer more athletic team in the east with enough talent and size to do soemthings.
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djsunyc
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8/19/2004  10:59 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

C_ Blount 7-0 255
PF Jefferson 6-10 260
SF Pierce 6-6 235
SG Davis 6-7 200
PG Payton 6-4 190
C Lafrentz 6-11 245
PF Gugliotta 6-10 250
SF Welsch 6-7 210
SG Tony Allen 6-4 215
PG Banks 6-1 200


PG West 6-4 180
C Perkins 6-10 280

this is an example of whati think is a deeper longer more athletic team in the east with enough talent and size to do soemthings.

deeper and longer? let's keep this rated G please.

i don't agree briggs. how can a team be deeper when you're starting PF is a rookie and his backup is someone who probably shouldn't be in the league anymore. your point guard is a 2nd year player (payton's not coming) and your starting center had a good 1/2 season in his career and his backup is dice re-incarnate divided by 2. are they younger, yes they have some nice young pieces. are they more athletic, probably by a hair but that's it.

this is an example of how everyone is better off than we are. come on briggs, i'll accept the fact that you think things may go badly for us but to say we'll not make the playoffs and then post a roster of a team you think we should be like (it's insinuated), well that i can't agree with.


[Edited by - djsunyc on 08/19/2004 23:01:03]
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8/19/2004  11:14 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BRIGGS:

C_ Blount 7-0 255
PF Jefferson 6-10 260
SF Pierce 6-6 235
SG Davis 6-7 200
PG Payton 6-4 190
C Lafrentz 6-11 245
PF Gugliotta 6-10 250
SF Welsch 6-7 210
SG Tony Allen 6-4 215
PG Banks 6-1 200


PG West 6-4 180
C Perkins 6-10 280

this is an example of whati think is a deeper longer more athletic team in the east with enough talent and size to do soemthings.

deeper and longer? let's keep this rated G please.

i don't agree briggs. how can a team be deeper when you're starting PF is a rookie and his backup is someone who probably shouldn't be in the league anymore. your point guard is a 2nd year player (payton's not coming) and your starting center had a good 1/2 season in his career and his backup is dice re-incarnate divided by 2. are they younger, yes they have some nice young pieces. are they more athletic, probably by a hair but that's it.

this is an example of how everyone is better off than we are. come on briggs, i'll accept the fact that you think things may go badly for us but to say we'll not make the playoffs and then post a roster of a team you think we should be like (it's insinuated), well that i can't agree with.


[Edited by - djsunyc on 08/19/2004 23:01:03]
Great post DJ!
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8/19/2004  11:30 PM
i dont care if jefferson is a rookie and 14 years old, that guy is going to be a beast in the low block and a force on the D. Tony Allen reminds me of desmond mason and while I will agree that some parts are there for limited duty --thats not bad having lafrentz play 20 minutes in a depth back up role--or having Gary Payton start for a couple of years playing 25 minutes--thats not including Pierce Davis and Welsch-to me this team is much deeper because i personally believe all rookies can play right away and really help.
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8/19/2004  11:32 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

i dont care if jefferson is a rookie and 14 years old, that guy is going to be a beast in the low block and a force on the D. Tony Allen reminds me of desmond mason and while I will agree that some parts are there for limited duty --thats not bad having lafrentz play 20 minutes in a depth back up role--or having Gary Payton start for a couple of years playing 25 minutes--thats not including Pierce Davis and Welsch-to me this team is much deeper because i personally believe all rookies can play right away and really help.
So you're basically envisioning the best case scenario for every single player on their roster
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8/19/2004  11:34 PM
14 years old - this ain't no sweatshop.

you're making VERY BIG assumptions. jefferson looks legit BUT he's still a rookie. lafrentz has to prove he's healthy AND he's better than he was in dallas. pierce is good (but his play did drop after toine left), davis has tools but will he fit, and payton IS NOT coming. they're a very interesting bunch on paper, and they have a good coach but i'm not sold.
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8/19/2004  11:41 PM
im not saying theyre world beaters, im saying theyve improved. the only STUPID move was trading chris mihm--you DONT trade a 7 footer for an aging G UNLESS they are using ending contratcs to get someone--rahim? but this is my point ive noticed the theme in the east was to add a lot of depth because injuries plagued many of the teams.

no doubt about it the nets are going backwards thye could legitmately end up with the worst 3 records in the nBA if Kidd is out. but the point that im trying to make is that while we have improved a bit i think some teams have made the improvements and we wont have the same success in the east. for theknicks to be + .500 we HAVE to be better against the west.
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8/20/2004  12:58 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BRIGGS:

C_ Blount 7-0 255
PF Jefferson 6-10 260
SF Pierce 6-6 235
SG Davis 6-7 200
PG Payton 6-4 190
C Lafrentz 6-11 245
PF Gugliotta 6-10 250
SF Welsch 6-7 210
SG Tony Allen 6-4 215
PG Banks 6-1 200


PG West 6-4 180
C Perkins 6-10 280

this is an example of whati think is a deeper longer more athletic team in the east with enough talent and size to do soemthings.

deeper and longer? let's keep this rated G please.

i don't agree briggs. how can a team be deeper when you're starting PF is a rookie and his backup is someone who probably shouldn't be in the league anymore. your point guard is a 2nd year player (payton's not coming) and your starting center had a good 1/2 season in his career and his backup is dice re-incarnate divided by 2. are they younger, yes they have some nice young pieces. are they more athletic, probably by a hair but that's it.

this is an example of how everyone is better off than we are. come on briggs, i'll accept the fact that you think things may go badly for us but to say we'll not make the playoffs and then post a roster of a team you think we should be like (it's insinuated), well that i can't agree with.


[Edited by - djsunyc on 08/19/2004 23:01:03]

exactly, had this roster been the knicks roster, the thread would have been titled " How BAD does this roster look"

This roster has a bunch of thrown in players, some who are too young and some who are a bit old(payton) if he ever comes.... Pierce is good as usual but the rest of that roster including Ricky davis are a bunch of ? marks...
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8/20/2004  1:52 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

but the point that im trying to make is that while we have improved a bit i think some teams have made the improvements and we wont have the same success in the east. for theknicks to be + .500 we HAVE to be better against the west.

ok, i think just the opposite. i think with a healthy unit (key word being healthy) along with two new players that fit nicely (crawford and jyd) and with the hopeful continued development of sweetney as well as a full training camp, we are easily in the 45 win area and possibly push 50. i think our depth AND talent will not be matched by alot of the teams in the east. our GLARING hole is defense in the middle - that's preventing us from being a real threat but getting to the 2nd round and winning 45 is a GREAT step for year 1 1/2.

i was just responding b/c everytime you talk about another team or player, it seems they're doing something positive while whenever you post about us, there's always question marks.
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8/20/2004  2:00 AM
If you plan on big things for Jefferson you gotta think big for Sweetney, since they have similar styles and had similar results in the SL.

Payton said he'd quit before going to Boston.

Gugliotta and LaFrentz are both huge injury concerns.

I like Tony Allen, though.
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8/20/2004  3:14 AM
I just don't get it. If Boston had our roster, it would projected as a good and deep team that could win the division.

But beiung the knicks, our players must suck, gonna get injured, oour rookies are wasted picks and our GM is a joke.

I just don't get it.

I hope a lot of people will have to eat trucks of craws when we'll reach the 2nd round after a 45+ wins season.

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