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BRIGGS
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6/2/2017  10:08 AM
There are no teams that have even close to their talent. Only way to even compete with these guys is to play 9-10 and EACH guy has to be good. Good as in each guy--kind of like some spurs teams has the ability to get 20 points play good D multi level scorers passers --the whole game. You need a team wide effort to help wear down these great teams because the singular talent is not going to be there.
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6/2/2017  10:46 AM
That is why I say the Knicks need to stop wasting time on older players whose window coincides with that of the Cavs and Warriors. Develop young players for the next window of opportunity. I said this before there simply isn't enough talent in the league to compete with the Cavs and Warriors.

Only way for a team to sneak in is injuries and time. I see the Cavs reign coming to an end soon which means two years from now. But the Warriors are going to be around for another 4-5 years.
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6/2/2017  11:02 AM
Nobody is beating Cavs-Warriors until Warriors are forced to trade Klay away. Curry will be around 33. We need to build for that 2019-2020 range to start make our name.
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6/2/2017  11:24 AM
Vmart wrote:That is why I say the Knicks need to stop wasting time on older players whose window coincides with that of the Cavs and Warriors. Develop young players for the next window of opportunity. I said this before there simply isn't enough talent in the league to compete with the Cavs and Warriors.

Only way for a team to sneak in is injuries and time. I see the Cavs reign coming to an end soon which means two years from now. But the Warriors are going to be around for another 4-5 years.

I don't know about 4-5. Maybe 2-3

Curry is 29.

If Durant stays, and there is no telling, he is 28.

Klay & Green are the youngest at 26.

But I agree we need to be aiming at a future date for our team to be put together, assembled and competing, not because of who stands in our way, but in terms of when our talent is going to mature (KP, this year's picks, next year's picks).
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6/2/2017  11:27 AM
Bottom line is these teams are going to dominate for awhile longer. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Knicks need to really hit the next couple of years in the draft, and get extra picks whenever possible. KP is still only 21. The teams that will win titles after Golden State and Cleveland are both done are the teams that do the best to develop their 19-22 year old talent right now. So 6 or 7 years down the road, when those players are in their prime years, they can challenge for a title. For example, in 7 years, KP will be 28 and this year's 8th pick would potentially be 26. Next years top pick would be 25. If all 3 develop into star players, and the supporting cast is good, that is what you are building for.
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6/2/2017  11:28 AM
franco12 wrote:
Vmart wrote:That is why I say the Knicks need to stop wasting time on older players whose window coincides with that of the Cavs and Warriors. Develop young players for the next window of opportunity. I said this before there simply isn't enough talent in the league to compete with the Cavs and Warriors.

Only way for a team to sneak in is injuries and time. I see the Cavs reign coming to an end soon which means two years from now. But the Warriors are going to be around for another 4-5 years.

I don't know about 4-5. Maybe 2-3

Curry is 29.

If Durant stays, and there is no telling, he is 28.

Klay & Green are the youngest at 26.

But I agree we need to be aiming at a future date for our team to be put together, assembled and competing, not because of who stands in our way, but in terms of when our talent is going to mature (KP, this year's picks, next year's picks).

then there is the salary cap issue...i think in a year or two...quite a few "stars" may leave GSW

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6/2/2017  11:51 AM
Cartman718 wrote:
franco12 wrote:
Vmart wrote:That is why I say the Knicks need to stop wasting time on older players whose window coincides with that of the Cavs and Warriors. Develop young players for the next window of opportunity. I said this before there simply isn't enough talent in the league to compete with the Cavs and Warriors.

Only way for a team to sneak in is injuries and time. I see the Cavs reign coming to an end soon which means two years from now. But the Warriors are going to be around for another 4-5 years.

I don't know about 4-5. Maybe 2-3

Curry is 29.

If Durant stays, and there is no telling, he is 28.

Klay & Green are the youngest at 26.

But I agree we need to be aiming at a future date for our team to be put together, assembled and competing, not because of who stands in our way, but in terms of when our talent is going to mature (KP, this year's picks, next year's picks).

then there is the salary cap issue...i think in a year or two...quite a few "stars" may leave GSW

Durant already said he is willing to take less.
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6/2/2017  2:37 PM
BRIGGS wrote:There are no teams that have even close to their talent. Only way to even compete with these guys is to play 9-10 and EACH guy has to be good. Good as in each guy--kind of like some spurs teams has the ability to get 20 points play good D multi level scorers passers --the whole game. You need a team wide effort to help wear down these great teams because the singular talent is not going to be there.

Actually I think the Spurs are better than the Cavs.
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6/2/2017  2:42 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:There are no teams that have even close to their talent. Only way to even compete with these guys is to play 9-10 and EACH guy has to be good. Good as in each guy--kind of like some spurs teams has the ability to get 20 points play good D multi level scorers passers --the whole game. You need a team wide effort to help wear down these great teams because the singular talent is not going to be there.

Actually I think the Spurs are better than the Cavs.

I was looking forward to a healthy SAS-GSW matchup. It was not to be.
GSW is a fine tuned talented machine who was built, then the proper schematic was applied to it.
Should one replicate that? Of course. On the other hand that Lebron fella sure gets his guys to the finals!!!

Many paths to success. I'd say Ainge and the celtics have the most compelling chess board at the moment.
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6/2/2017  2:45 PM
Let's not overreact to one game. I do think the Warriors are extremely hard to beat because of Durant. He basically can take over a game when ever he wants at a level only Lebron James can. Durant is rested and took it easy while playing a role during the season. The only guy on the Cavs that can guard him is Lebron and they will just run screens to pick him off leaving Durant matched up on Love or whoever.
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6/2/2017  3:15 PM
I'm in the 2019-2020 group.... we are building to compete then. We're not going to catch the Cavs and golden State for a couple seasons
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6/2/2017  4:50 PM
EnySpree wrote:I'm in the 2019-2020 group.... we are building to compete then. We're not going to catch the Cavs and golden State for a couple seasons

Phil is pretty much admitting that he's looking long term. Trying to get more picks and trying to offload Melo. I think he's pretty clear eyed that he's going to be drafting for the next Prez more so than for himself. This is why KP and his team are so wrong headed. They're acting like the Knicks can contend next year or something! That's not realistic. This is going to be a process and not a quick fix type situation. KP needs to just buckle down and get his body and game right.
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6/2/2017  6:50 PM
This may be a way to beat them but "only"

You can beat them w size and lngth IMO

One oddity - maybe stooge silver can explain -- down low guys get killed w no calls

Out on the perimeter you touch a guy and it's a foul. Almost literally

Should be called consistently

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6/2/2017  6:50 PM
Elite defense is a big help.
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6/2/2017  7:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/2/2017  7:47 PM
The Warriors are more easy to beat than the Cavs .. Kawhi Lenard showed that by not playing a small lineup and small rotation .... Last year when Durant was on OKC the GS vs OKC series were 3-1 in OKC favor from not playing small-ball, the next 3 games OKC played small-ball and loss all 3 games.
If the Cavs would have loss to GS in the FINALS last year i would have been saying FIX FIX FIX.

The ratings for the rematch of Cavs vs GS Warriors having Durant is probably 3 times higher than a Spurs vs Cavs in the FINALS .. so Kawhi sat out the rest of their series with GS.

Last night game Triston played 20 minutes
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6/2/2017  8:20 PM
Kemet wrote:The Warriors are more easy to beat than the Cavs .. Kawhi Lenard showed that by not playing a small lineup and small rotation .... Last year when Durant was on OKC the GS vs OKC series were 3-1 in OKC favor from not playing small-ball, the next 3 games OKC played small-ball and loss all 3 games.
If the Cavs would have loss to GS in the FINALS last year i would have been saying FIX FIX FIX.

The ratings for the rematch of Cavs vs GS Warriors having Durant is probably 3 times higher than a Spurs vs Cavs in the FINALS .. so Kawhi sat out the rest of their series with GS.

Last night game Triston played 20 minutes


You're talking about half of one game? The Warriors often go down big and come back even without someone getting injured. (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-warriors-dont-start-trying-until-theyre-down-15/) It was also just one game.
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