NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dacash wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dacash wrote:this is where a team like portland comes into play, if something healthy can be done with them

EXACTLY. They're prime target for sure. They're just sitting on picks they don't need or want to use.

thing is what do we have that they want or need?
unless we can take one of their over priced guys away with a pick or two but for whom?

Move Melo for the best offer possible (probably LAC, who might need to make a splash to keep CP3).
Then pursue a trade that allows the Blazers to dump Evan Turner and a pick for a trade exception. Mitchell is slated to go in the 20s and the Blazers have two in that range.

I've been on the trading for Evan Turner to get one of their 1st round picks thing as well and think Turner would actually be a good player for the triangle as well but i don't see D.Mitchell making it to the 20's cause i keep hearing he's climbing draft boards and have seen him in a couple of mocks going to the Miami Heat at #14.

I'd be a little hesistant to take him at 8. His body of work prior to the combine suggested he was a 20s pick and I'd defer to that body of thinking, which is rooted in more evidence. Aside from Paul George, I can't really remember any guy that has significantly risen in the draft whose game actually met the hype, which is why I'd tend to be cautious.

Besides, one of the major knocks against him is his inability to run a team. Who is really going to spend a lottery pick on a 6"2' player that can't consistently do that? Players of his ilk, have tended to be considered specialists snd those specialists have historically been pigeon-holed into getting drafted by win-now teams in the 20s. If he were that compelling a talent though, I'd trade down and recoup all the Blazers' picks this year....possibly even push to exchange Noah for Evan Turner in the process.

Mitchell is a late bloomer and i'm really not focused on his production in college as much as his Defensive ability which this team needs more than anything. Mitchell will not be asked to run the team like CP3! Triangle PG simply isn't that kind of role.

Strong D, 3pt shooting and being able to be effective off the ball are things he can do. They'll keep working with him on his playmaking like they did with Baker. We wouldn't be getting him for his Pure Passing.

Which is y I feel he would excell here more than other teams and why his value to us is higher then most other teams. Defense, strong rebounding, shooting. Get that from your guards. Let the triangle create ball movement instead of depending on one player to create for everyone else.

THIS IS MY POINT

I'm pretty sure that's everyones point. No one is deriding Donovan Mitchell the player. The only issue is on when to draft him and not if we should draft him. I'm in the camp that thinks he can be acquired via a second first round pick instead of our lottery pick at 8.

I said in my post that i would hope we could trade down a couple of spots to get him but i don't think trading down in this draft is gonna be easy just like i don't think it will be easy to get a team to trade a 1st round pick in this draft whether it's in the middle or later part of the 1st because it's such a strong draft and starters can be found anywhere in the 1st round and even see starters being found in the 2nd round of this draft. It would be much easier for me to see them draft D.Mitchell at #8 if we somehow get another 1st round pick then it will if that #8 pick ends up being our only 1st round pick. I trust whatever Gaines decides we do with that #8 pick whether it's D.Mitchell or any of the guys that most people think will get drafted around that spot. There will be players drafted in the middle and later part of the 1st round that will end up better players than players drafted in the lottery, it happens every single year.

nixluva wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dacash wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dacash wrote:this is where a team like portland comes into play, if something healthy can be done with them

EXACTLY. They're prime target for sure. They're just sitting on picks they don't need or want to use.

thing is what do we have that they want or need?
unless we can take one of their over priced guys away with a pick or two but for whom?

Move Melo for the best offer possible (probably LAC, who might need to make a splash to keep CP3).
Then pursue a trade that allows the Blazers to dump Evan Turner and a pick for a trade exception. Mitchell is slated to go in the 20s and the Blazers have two in that range.

I've been on the trading for Evan Turner to get one of their 1st round picks thing as well and think Turner would actually be a good player for the triangle as well but i don't see D.Mitchell making it to the 20's cause i keep hearing he's climbing draft boards and have seen him in a couple of mocks going to the Miami Heat at #14.

I'd be a little hesistant to take him at 8. His body of work prior to the combine suggested he was a 20s pick and I'd defer to that body of thinking, which is rooted in more evidence. Aside from Paul George, I can't really remember any guy that has significantly risen in the draft whose game actually met the hype, which is why I'd tend to be cautious.

Besides, one of the major knocks against him is his inability to run a team. Who is really going to spend a lottery pick on a 6"2' player that can't consistently do that? Players of his ilk, have tended to be considered specialists snd those specialists have historically been pigeon-holed into getting drafted by win-now teams in the 20s. If he were that compelling a talent though, I'd trade down and recoup all the Blazers' picks this year....possibly even push to exchange Noah for Evan Turner in the process.

Mitchell is a late bloomer and i'm really not focused on his production in college as much as his Defensive ability which this team needs more than anything. Mitchell will not be asked to run the team like CP3! Triangle PG simply isn't that kind of role.

Strong D, 3pt shooting and being able to be effective off the ball are things he can do. They'll keep working with him on his playmaking like they did with Baker. We wouldn't be getting him for his Pure Passing.

Which is y I feel he would excell here more than other teams and why his value to us is higher then most other teams. Defense, strong rebounding, shooting. Get that from your guards. Let the triangle create ball movement instead of depending on one player to create for everyone else.

THIS IS MY POINT

I'm pretty sure that's everyones point. No one is deriding Donovan Mitchell the player. The only issue is on when to draft him and not if we should draft him. I'm in the camp that thinks he can be acquired via a second first round pick instead of our lottery pick at 8.

I think the Knicks can get another 1st rd pick but Mitchell is moving up! Draft Express has him at 12!!!

Everyone just goes off of what all these mock draft sites and so called draft experts say should be the right pick at whatever spot but seem to forget that every one of these sites and draft experts don't get to do the interview process and putting these kids on the white board to measure their basketball IQ and put them through workouts like these teams get to do with these kids and every one of those processes are very important to give a good evaluation of these kids and to find out if they fit what these teams are looking for, none of the experts or draft site people do any of that so just cause they say this or that player should get drafted at that spot doesn't mean the coaches, GM's and scout agree with that which is who's decisions really count.

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dacash wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dacash wrote:this is where a team like portland comes into play, if something healthy can be done with them

EXACTLY. They're prime target for sure. They're just sitting on picks they don't need or want to use.

thing is what do we have that they want or need?
unless we can take one of their over priced guys away with a pick or two but for whom?

Move Melo for the best offer possible (probably LAC, who might need to make a splash to keep CP3).
Then pursue a trade that allows the Blazers to dump Evan Turner and a pick for a trade exception. Mitchell is slated to go in the 20s and the Blazers have two in that range.

I've been on the trading for Evan Turner to get one of their 1st round picks thing as well and think Turner would actually be a good player for the triangle as well but i don't see D.Mitchell making it to the 20's cause i keep hearing he's climbing draft boards and have seen him in a couple of mocks going to the Miami Heat at #14.

I'd be a little hesistant to take him at 8. His body of work prior to the combine suggested he was a 20s pick and I'd defer to that body of thinking, which is rooted in more evidence. Aside from Paul George, I can't really remember any guy that has significantly risen in the draft whose game actually met the hype, which is why I'd tend to be cautious.

Besides, one of the major knocks against him is his inability to run a team. Who is really going to spend a lottery pick on a 6"2' player that can't consistently do that? Players of his ilk, have tended to be considered specialists snd those specialists have historically been pigeon-holed into getting drafted by win-now teams in the 20s. If he were that compelling a talent though, I'd trade down and recoup all the Blazers' picks this year....possibly even push to exchange Noah for Evan Turner in the process.

Mitchell is a late bloomer and i'm really not focused on his production in college as much as his Defensive ability which this team needs more than anything. Mitchell will not be asked to run the team like CP3! Triangle PG simply isn't that kind of role.

Strong D, 3pt shooting and being able to be effective off the ball are things he can do. They'll keep working with him on his playmaking like they did with Baker. We wouldn't be getting him for his Pure Passing.

you know who else was a physical specimen, defensive bull dog, and a late bloomer? Kawhi Leonard. Not saying Mitchell will be a DPOY or a Finals MVP--all I'm saying is that there is a precedent set for this kind of player. Rick Pitino advocated the Knicks take him and apparently he's a Knicks season ticket holder. College coaches don't usually lay it on that thick unless they're confidant.

Donovan Mitchell for #8!!!

When you look at why the Knicks lost it really wasn't because of scoring! It was their PUTRID Defense! IMO this team will NEVER improve until they add some ELITE perimeter Defenders. Not saying offense is not also in need of improvement but that was well behind the importance of getting better defensively! A PG that can guard PG, SG and SF would be HUGE!!!

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dacash wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dacash wrote:this is where a team like portland comes into play, if something healthy can be done with them

EXACTLY. They're prime target for sure. They're just sitting on picks they don't need or want to use.

thing is what do we have that they want or need?
unless we can take one of their over priced guys away with a pick or two but for whom?

Move Melo for the best offer possible (probably LAC, who might need to make a splash to keep CP3).
Then pursue a trade that allows the Blazers to dump Evan Turner and a pick for a trade exception. Mitchell is slated to go in the 20s and the Blazers have two in that range.

I've been on the trading for Evan Turner to get one of their 1st round picks thing as well and think Turner would actually be a good player for the triangle as well but i don't see D.Mitchell making it to the 20's cause i keep hearing he's climbing draft boards and have seen him in a couple of mocks going to the Miami Heat at #14.

I'd be a little hesistant to take him at 8. His body of work prior to the combine suggested he was a 20s pick and I'd defer to that body of thinking, which is rooted in more evidence. Aside from Paul George, I can't really remember any guy that has significantly risen in the draft whose game actually met the hype, which is why I'd tend to be cautious.

Besides, one of the major knocks against him is his inability to run a team. Who is really going to spend a lottery pick on a 6"2' player that can't consistently do that? Players of his ilk, have tended to be considered specialists snd those specialists have historically been pigeon-holed into getting drafted by win-now teams in the 20s. If he were that compelling a talent though, I'd trade down and recoup all the Blazers' picks this year....possibly even push to exchange Noah for Evan Turner in the process.

Mitchell is a late bloomer and i'm really not focused on his production in college as much as his Defensive ability which this team needs more than anything. Mitchell will not be asked to run the team like CP3! Triangle PG simply isn't that kind of role.

Strong D, 3pt shooting and being able to be effective off the ball are things he can do. They'll keep working with him on his playmaking like they did with Baker. We wouldn't be getting him for his Pure Passing.

Which is y I feel he would excell here more than other teams and why his value to us is higher then most other teams. Defense, strong rebounding, shooting. Get that from your guards. Let the triangle create ball movement instead of depending on one player to create for everyone else.

THIS IS MY POINT

I'm pretty sure that's everyones point. No one is deriding Donovan Mitchell the player. The only issue is on when to draft him and not if we should draft him. I'm in the camp that thinks he can be acquired via a second first round pick instead of our lottery pick at 8.

I said in my post that i would hope we could trade down a couple of spots to get him but i don't think trading down in this draft is gonna be easy just like i don't think it will be easy to get a team to trade a 1st round pick in this draft whether it's in the middle or later part of the 1st because it's such a strong draft and starters can be found anywhere in the 1st round and even see starters being found in the 2nd round of this draft. It would be much easier for me to see them draft D.Mitchell at #8 if we somehow get another 1st round pick then it will if that #8 pick ends up being our only 1st round pick. I trust whatever Gaines decides we do with that #8 pick whether it's D.Mitchell or any of the guys that most people think will get drafted around that spot. There will be players drafted in the middle and later part of the 1st round that will end up better players than players drafted in the lottery, it happens every single year.

There may be starter-quality talent throughout the first round but that doesn't mean the talent is equitable. This draft has been discussed as being headlined by 8 prominent talents and we are in a fortunate position to select one. We are in an enviable spot and should look to take advantage of it if the best player available isn't also the right player. And right now, Mitchell is not considered good enough to bump any of the top 8 but does fit what we want to do.

As much as I like his fit in this system, I don't think he has a skillset to appeal to teams that require a floor general at the PG spot, which is basically the entire league (save the Cavs, Rockets; possibly Sixers and Bucks). Because of that, I fully expect Mitchell to go in the late teens to mid-20s, where teams' risks are mitigated.

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dacash wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dacash wrote:this is where a team like portland comes into play, if something healthy can be done with them

EXACTLY. They're prime target for sure. They're just sitting on picks they don't need or want to use.

thing is what do we have that they want or need?
unless we can take one of their over priced guys away with a pick or two but for whom?

Move Melo for the best offer possible (probably LAC, who might need to make a splash to keep CP3).
Then pursue a trade that allows the Blazers to dump Evan Turner and a pick for a trade exception. Mitchell is slated to go in the 20s and the Blazers have two in that range.

I've been on the trading for Evan Turner to get one of their 1st round picks thing as well and think Turner would actually be a good player for the triangle as well but i don't see D.Mitchell making it to the 20's cause i keep hearing he's climbing draft boards and have seen him in a couple of mocks going to the Miami Heat at #14.

I'd be a little hesistant to take him at 8. His body of work prior to the combine suggested he was a 20s pick and I'd defer to that body of thinking, which is rooted in more evidence. Aside from Paul George, I can't really remember any guy that has significantly risen in the draft whose game actually met the hype, which is why I'd tend to be cautious.

Besides, one of the major knocks against him is his inability to run a team. Who is really going to spend a lottery pick on a 6"2' player that can't consistently do that? Players of his ilk, have tended to be considered specialists snd those specialists have historically been pigeon-holed into getting drafted by win-now teams in the 20s. If he were that compelling a talent though, I'd trade down and recoup all the Blazers' picks this year....possibly even push to exchange Noah for Evan Turner in the process.

Mitchell is a late bloomer and i'm really not focused on his production in college as much as his Defensive ability which this team needs more than anything. Mitchell will not be asked to run the team like CP3! Triangle PG simply isn't that kind of role.

Strong D, 3pt shooting and being able to be effective off the ball are things he can do. They'll keep working with him on his playmaking like they did with Baker. We wouldn't be getting him for his Pure Passing.

Which is y I feel he would excell here more than other teams and why his value to us is higher then most other teams. Defense, strong rebounding, shooting. Get that from your guards. Let the triangle create ball movement instead of depending on one player to create for everyone else.

THIS IS MY POINT

I'm pretty sure that's everyones point. No one is deriding Donovan Mitchell the player. The only issue is on when to draft him and not if we should draft him. I'm in the camp that thinks he can be acquired via a second first round pick instead of our lottery pick at 8.

I said in my post that i would hope we could trade down a couple of spots to get him but i don't think trading down in this draft is gonna be easy just like i don't think it will be easy to get a team to trade a 1st round pick in this draft whether it's in the middle or later part of the 1st because it's such a strong draft and starters can be found anywhere in the 1st round and even see starters being found in the 2nd round of this draft. It would be much easier for me to see them draft D.Mitchell at #8 if we somehow get another 1st round pick then it will if that #8 pick ends up being our only 1st round pick. I trust whatever Gaines decides we do with that #8 pick whether it's D.Mitchell or any of the guys that most people think will get drafted around that spot. There will be players drafted in the middle and later part of the 1st round that will end up better players than players drafted in the lottery, it happens every single year.

There may be starter-quality talent throughout the first round but that doesn't mean the talent is equitable. This draft has been discussed as being headlined by 8 prominent talents and we are in a fortunate position to select one. We are in an enviable spot and should look to take advantage of it if the best player available isn't also the right player. And right now, Mitchell is not considered good enough to bump any of the top 8 but does fit what we want to do.

As much as I like his fit in this system, I don't think he has a skillset to appeal to teams that require a floor general at the PG spot, which is basically the entire league (save the Cavs, Rockets; possibly Sixers and Bucks). Because of that, I fully expect Mitchell to go in the late teens to mid-20s, where teams' risks are mitigated.

My dream would be Isaac at #8 and Mitchell with a 2nd 1st if they can get one. I don't think it has to be DM at #8. Still I wouldn't be mad if they took DM at #8 and say Justin Jackson with a later 1st.