nixluva wrote:Post Jazz workout interview. He sounds like a very intelligent young man!

http://www.nba.com/jazz/video/teams/jazz/2017/05/27/1495913702402-aa5138013-1448435

I really like this kid and would love to trade down a few spots to get him but i'm not sure #8 would be too high for him and wouldn't be mad at that pick especially with him making the transition to PG in the NBA......don't like that he threw a diss out at New York though..lol

dacash wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dacash wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dacash wrote:this is where a team like portland comes into play, if something healthy can be done with them

EXACTLY. They're prime target for sure. They're just sitting on picks they don't need or want to use.

thing is what do we have that they want or need?
unless we can take one of their over priced guys away with a pick or two but for whom?

Move Melo for the best offer possible (probably LAC, who might need to make a splash to keep CP3).
Then pursue a trade that allows the Blazers to dump Evan Turner and a pick for a trade exception. Mitchell is slated to go in the 20s and the Blazers have two in that range.

I've been on the trading for Evan Turner to get one of their 1st round picks thing as well and think Turner would actually be a good player for the triangle as well but i don't see D.Mitchell making it to the 20's cause i keep hearing he's climbing draft boards and have seen him in a couple of mocks going to the Miami Heat at #14.

how about the 8th pick and filler for turner and 15 and 20 , is turner worth going that high? with the proposed rubio trade would he and turner make a good back court with kp n billy then justin jackson and mitchell with 15 and 20?
i have no idea but cant wait

I don't see D.Mitchell being there at #15. It's still a strong draft but dropping to #15 is further then i would like to drop even with getting that #20 pick and we'd have to take on E.Turner's contract. I like Turner but his contract isn't good.

dacash wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dacash wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dacash wrote:this is where a team like portland comes into play, if something healthy can be done with them

EXACTLY. They're prime target for sure. They're just sitting on picks they don't need or want to use.

thing is what do we have that they want or need?
unless we can take one of their over priced guys away with a pick or two but for whom?

Move Melo for the best offer possible (probably LAC, who might need to make a splash to keep CP3).
Then pursue a trade that allows the Blazers to dump Evan Turner and a pick for a trade exception. Mitchell is slated to go in the 20s and the Blazers have two in that range.

I've been on the trading for Evan Turner to get one of their 1st round picks thing as well and think Turner would actually be a good player for the triangle as well but i don't see D.Mitchell making it to the 20's cause i keep hearing he's climbing draft boards and have seen him in a couple of mocks going to the Miami Heat at #14.

how about the 8th pick and filler for turner and 15 and 20 , is turner worth going that high? with the proposed rubio trade would he and turner make a good back court with kp n billy then justin jackson and mitchell with 15 and 20?
i have no idea but cant wait

I don't see the need to throw in 8 if we're taking back Turner in that deal. I'd throw in our secon-rounders.

BigDaddyG wrote:

dacash wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dacash wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dacash wrote:this is where a team like portland comes into play, if something healthy can be done with them

EXACTLY. They're prime target for sure. They're just sitting on picks they don't need or want to use.

thing is what do we have that they want or need?
unless we can take one of their over priced guys away with a pick or two but for whom?

Move Melo for the best offer possible (probably LAC, who might need to make a splash to keep CP3).
Then pursue a trade that allows the Blazers to dump Evan Turner and a pick for a trade exception. Mitchell is slated to go in the 20s and the Blazers have two in that range.

I've been on the trading for Evan Turner to get one of their 1st round picks thing as well and think Turner would actually be a good player for the triangle as well but i don't see D.Mitchell making it to the 20's cause i keep hearing he's climbing draft boards and have seen him in a couple of mocks going to the Miami Heat at #14.

how about the 8th pick and filler for turner and 15 and 20 , is turner worth going that high? with the proposed rubio trade would he and turner make a good back court with kp n billy then justin jackson and mitchell with 15 and 20?
i have no idea but cant wait

I don't see the need to throw in 8 if we're taking back Turner in that deal. I'd throw in our secon-rounders.

Yeah, I'd either need POR to throw in some future picks or to take Noah for Turner in the process.

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dacash wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dacash wrote:this is where a team like portland comes into play, if something healthy can be done with them

EXACTLY. They're prime target for sure. They're just sitting on picks they don't need or want to use.

thing is what do we have that they want or need?
unless we can take one of their over priced guys away with a pick or two but for whom?

Move Melo for the best offer possible (probably LAC, who might need to make a splash to keep CP3).
Then pursue a trade that allows the Blazers to dump Evan Turner and a pick for a trade exception. Mitchell is slated to go in the 20s and the Blazers have two in that range.

I've been on the trading for Evan Turner to get one of their 1st round picks thing as well and think Turner would actually be a good player for the triangle as well but i don't see D.Mitchell making it to the 20's cause i keep hearing he's climbing draft boards and have seen him in a couple of mocks going to the Miami Heat at #14.

I'd be a little hesistant to take him at 8. His body of work prior to the combine suggested he was a 20s pick and I'd defer to that body of thinking, which is rooted in more evidence. Aside from Paul George, I can't really remember any guy that has significantly risen in the draft whose game actually met the hype, which is why I'd tend to be cautious.

Besides, one of the major knocks against him is his inability to run a team. Who is really going to spend a lottery pick on a 6"2' player that can't consistently do that? Players of his ilk, have tended to be considered specialists snd those specialists have historically been pigeon-holed into getting drafted by win-now teams in the 20s. If he were that compelling a talent though, I'd trade down and recoup all the Blazers' picks this year....possibly even push to exchange Noah for Evan Turner in the process.

nixluva wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dacash wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dacash wrote:this is where a team like portland comes into play, if something healthy can be done with them

EXACTLY. They're prime target for sure. They're just sitting on picks they don't need or want to use.

thing is what do we have that they want or need?
unless we can take one of their over priced guys away with a pick or two but for whom?

Move Melo for the best offer possible (probably LAC, who might need to make a splash to keep CP3).
Then pursue a trade that allows the Blazers to dump Evan Turner and a pick for a trade exception. Mitchell is slated to go in the 20s and the Blazers have two in that range.

I've been on the trading for Evan Turner to get one of their 1st round picks thing as well and think Turner would actually be a good player for the triangle as well but i don't see D.Mitchell making it to the 20's cause i keep hearing he's climbing draft boards and have seen him in a couple of mocks going to the Miami Heat at #14.

I'd be a little hesistant to take him at 8. His body of work prior to the combine suggested he was a 20s pick and I'd defer to that body of thinking, which is rooted in more evidence. Aside from Paul George, I can't really remember any guy that has significantly risen in the draft whose game actually met the hype, which is why I'd tend to be cautious.

Besides, one of the major knocks against him is his inability to run a team. Who is really going to spend a lottery pick on a 6"2' player that can't consistently do that? Players of his ilk, have tended to be considered specialists snd those specialists have historically been pigeon-holed into getting drafted by win-now teams in the 20s. If he were that compelling a talent though, I'd trade down and recoup all the Blazers' picks this year....possibly even push to exchange Noah for Evan Turner in the process.

Mitchell is a late bloomer and i'm really not focused on his production in college as much as his Defensive ability which this team needs more than anything. Mitchell will not be asked to run the team like CP3! Triangle PG simply isn't that kind of role.

Strong D, 3pt shooting and being able to be effective off the ball are things he can do. They'll keep working with him on his playmaking like they did with Baker. We wouldn't be getting him for his Pure Passing.

I'm aware of that....and is the reason why I think he'll get selected in the late teens or 20s. All other franchises run a PnR heavy offense and if he can't do that at 6"2', his value will be marginalized unless he plays next to a ball dominant swingman (e.g. the Patrick Beverly to James Harden; the Kyrie Irving to LeBron Hames; the Mario Chalmers to prime-Dwayne Wade, etc.). Needless to say, we shouldn't look to be selecting him with the 8th pick.

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dacash wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dacash wrote:this is where a team like portland comes into play, if something healthy can be done with them

EXACTLY. They're prime target for sure. They're just sitting on picks they don't need or want to use.

thing is what do we have that they want or need?
unless we can take one of their over priced guys away with a pick or two but for whom?

Move Melo for the best offer possible (probably LAC, who might need to make a splash to keep CP3).
Then pursue a trade that allows the Blazers to dump Evan Turner and a pick for a trade exception. Mitchell is slated to go in the 20s and the Blazers have two in that range.

I've been on the trading for Evan Turner to get one of their 1st round picks thing as well and think Turner would actually be a good player for the triangle as well but i don't see D.Mitchell making it to the 20's cause i keep hearing he's climbing draft boards and have seen him in a couple of mocks going to the Miami Heat at #14.

I'd be a little hesistant to take him at 8. His body of work prior to the combine suggested he was a 20s pick and I'd defer to that body of thinking, which is rooted in more evidence. Aside from Paul George, I can't really remember any guy that has significantly risen in the draft whose game actually met the hype, which is why I'd tend to be cautious.

Besides, one of the major knocks against him is his inability to run a team. Who is really going to spend a lottery pick on a 6"2' player that can't consistently do that? Players of his ilk, have tended to be considered specialists snd those specialists have historically been pigeon-holed into getting drafted by win-now teams in the 20s. If he were that compelling a talent though, I'd trade down and recoup all the Blazers' picks this year....possibly even push to exchange Noah for Evan Turner in the process.

Mitchell is a late bloomer and i'm really not focused on his production in college as much as his Defensive ability which this team needs more than anything. Mitchell will not be asked to run the team like CP3! Triangle PG simply isn't that kind of role.

Strong D, 3pt shooting and being able to be effective off the ball are things he can do. They'll keep working with him on his playmaking like they did with Baker. We wouldn't be getting him for his Pure Passing.

Which is y I feel he would excell here more than other teams and why his value to us is higher then most other teams. Defense, strong rebounding, shooting. Get that from your guards. Let the triangle create ball movement instead of depending on one player to create for everyone else.

THIS IS MY POINT

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dacash wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dacash wrote:this is where a team like portland comes into play, if something healthy can be done with them

EXACTLY. They're prime target for sure. They're just sitting on picks they don't need or want to use.

thing is what do we have that they want or need?
unless we can take one of their over priced guys away with a pick or two but for whom?

Move Melo for the best offer possible (probably LAC, who might need to make a splash to keep CP3).
Then pursue a trade that allows the Blazers to dump Evan Turner and a pick for a trade exception. Mitchell is slated to go in the 20s and the Blazers have two in that range.

I've been on the trading for Evan Turner to get one of their 1st round picks thing as well and think Turner would actually be a good player for the triangle as well but i don't see D.Mitchell making it to the 20's cause i keep hearing he's climbing draft boards and have seen him in a couple of mocks going to the Miami Heat at #14.

I'd be a little hesistant to take him at 8. His body of work prior to the combine suggested he was a 20s pick and I'd defer to that body of thinking, which is rooted in more evidence. Aside from Paul George, I can't really remember any guy that has significantly risen in the draft whose game actually met the hype, which is why I'd tend to be cautious.

Besides, one of the major knocks against him is his inability to run a team. Who is really going to spend a lottery pick on a 6"2' player that can't consistently do that? Players of his ilk, have tended to be considered specialists snd those specialists have historically been pigeon-holed into getting drafted by win-now teams in the 20s. If he were that compelling a talent though, I'd trade down and recoup all the Blazers' picks this year....possibly even push to exchange Noah for Evan Turner in the process.

Mitchell is a late bloomer and i'm really not focused on his production in college as much as his Defensive ability which this team needs more than anything. Mitchell will not be asked to run the team like CP3! Triangle PG simply isn't that kind of role.

Strong D, 3pt shooting and being able to be effective off the ball are things he can do. They'll keep working with him on his playmaking like they did with Baker. We wouldn't be getting him for his Pure Passing.

Which is y I feel he would excell here more than other teams and why his value to us is higher then most other teams. Defense, strong rebounding, shooting. Get that from your guards. Let the triangle create ball movement instead of depending on one player to create for everyone else.

THIS IS MY POINT

I'm pretty sure that's everyones point. No one is deriding Donovan Mitchell the player. The only issue is on when to draft him and not if we should draft him. I'm in the camp that thinks he can be acquired via a second first round pick instead of our lottery pick at 8.

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dacash wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dacash wrote:this is where a team like portland comes into play, if something healthy can be done with them

EXACTLY. They're prime target for sure. They're just sitting on picks they don't need or want to use.

thing is what do we have that they want or need?
unless we can take one of their over priced guys away with a pick or two but for whom?

Move Melo for the best offer possible (probably LAC, who might need to make a splash to keep CP3).
Then pursue a trade that allows the Blazers to dump Evan Turner and a pick for a trade exception. Mitchell is slated to go in the 20s and the Blazers have two in that range.

I've been on the trading for Evan Turner to get one of their 1st round picks thing as well and think Turner would actually be a good player for the triangle as well but i don't see D.Mitchell making it to the 20's cause i keep hearing he's climbing draft boards and have seen him in a couple of mocks going to the Miami Heat at #14.

I'd be a little hesistant to take him at 8. His body of work prior to the combine suggested he was a 20s pick and I'd defer to that body of thinking, which is rooted in more evidence. Aside from Paul George, I can't really remember any guy that has significantly risen in the draft whose game actually met the hype, which is why I'd tend to be cautious.

Besides, one of the major knocks against him is his inability to run a team. Who is really going to spend a lottery pick on a 6"2' player that can't consistently do that? Players of his ilk, have tended to be considered specialists snd those specialists have historically been pigeon-holed into getting drafted by win-now teams in the 20s. If he were that compelling a talent though, I'd trade down and recoup all the Blazers' picks this year....possibly even push to exchange Noah for Evan Turner in the process.

He wasn't running the team cause Pitino had him playing SG instead of PG where Pitino said is his best fit and if they didn't already have a kid playing PG that was playing there the year prior then that's where Mitchell would of played.