newyorknewyork wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:nixluva wrote:NardDogNation wrote:nixluva wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:EnySpree wrote:We need better players period... we need vets that can play on both ends just like some of you guys are saying.... but what i can't understand is who do the other half of you guys think we're going to sign next year? We're not gong to get Durant or Lebron... we are rebuilding. No superstars wants to be here... but we can sign guys that see the big picture and want the opportunity to play and mentor young guys. Bottom line is we souls be interested inn good players. Tucker, cunningham and Simmons are good players.
They want Melo to stay, Phil to be fired, Woodson to be coach and whatever manner starfukk possible to "win now". Oh and throw in 54 wins and blah blah blah..
The internet is FULL of this kind of thinking SMDH! It's like they never saw anything that happened over the last few years. There aren't any SAVIORS coming to the Knicks! We have to grow our own stars!!! Put quality role players around them and see how it develops.
Dude, cut the ****. You were the same dude hyping up every win-now acquisition as recently as this offseason while MOST of the posters on this board were advocating a tank/shift exclusively to Porzingis and his development. You are re-writing history.
GTFOH! I always mentioned that the moves were worth a shot because they weren't locked into Rose or Jennings and we had 3 Picks. It wasn't an ALL IN set of moves. NOW we no longer have to worry about trying to do something along Melo's timeline.
There is an opportunity cost to every decision one makes. So when we invested heavily in veterans with cap space, it came with a hidden tax....even if you might not want to admit it.
Case and point, in the summer of 2015 we invested the balance of cap space (approximately $33 million) in Robin Lopez, Aaron Afflalo, Derrick Williams, Kevin Seraphin and Kyle O'Quinn. You know how many of them were on our roster the following season? One: Kyle O'Quinn.
And are you aware of just what 20 million of cap space could have gotten that summer? Answer: Nik Stauskas, Sacramento's 2019 unprotected first round pick, a 1st round pick swap in 2017 that would've netted us the 3rd overall pick in this draft and a 2018 1st round pick swap. But hey, at least we blew a fortune chasing a fantasy. Somehow though the elite GMs in this league like Danny Ainge, Darryl Morey, Sam Presti and Sam Hinkie never fall prey to doing stuff like that while chumps like Phil Jackson consistently do.
And for a dude that constantly talks about the importance of building a "culture, you sure do come across as a hypocrite by advocating we blow resources/assets on one year rentals. Not sure how you build a culture when two-thirds of the roster gets upended every summer.
What is interesting is that if Phil had gotten those draft picks from Sacto instead of Affalo, O'quinn etc the same Phil haters would be bitching about the opportunity cost of not assembling a "win now" team. The hypocrisy goes both ways.
I think given the choices he had Phil did try to do both things, put a team that Melo could compete with (he couldn't) and keep the ability to build a core through the draft.
When the only thing you have to trade is crap and you are trying to get out of it by trading, it takes a lot more than three seasons of roster change to turn it into something worth rooting for.
I agree with Nardognation that would have been the preferred route. I was hoping to do something like that when Kings made it known they were interested in dumping Thompson and Laundry. The deal that ended up happening was a 2018 first round pick top 10 protected and the right to swap in 2016 and 2017. Kings also got 2 stash euro 2nd round picks which I don't know if they drove up the price or not.
The other differences that must be taken into consideration was the Knicks didn't have their draft pick the following off season. Though moving Stauskaus for a 2016 draft pick at that time would be possible. After a 17 win season and Melo on the roster these are tough decisions. Your basically telling Knicks fans and Melo to wait until the top 4 pick develops who happen to be better then expected earlier then expected. And then 2 years later which was no guarantee Kings would be in their predicament maybe we can land another lottery pick from the Kings.
But today if this route if available for us with our 19 mil then we need to capitalize. Alec Burks from Utah, Matthews from Dallas, Aminu and Ezeli from Portland.
There is a preposterous number of trades made in the league, during the Phil Jackson era that had me wondering if he was asleep at the wheel. All of them included a first round pick and only required cap space/trade exception to absorb a veteran's salary that would also further Phil Jackson's win-now objectives. A few come to mind:
1.) Jared Dudley and LACs 2017 first round draft pick for....a 2nd round pick and a trade exception
2.) Jarrett Jack (to BKN), Sergei Karasev (to BKN), Tyler Zeller (to BOS) and CLEs 2016 first round pick for....cap space
3.) Jeremy Lin and a first round pick to the Lakers for....cap space
There are several more like this that I can't remember but looking at the names involved in those trades, I have to ask:
Was Jose Calderon any better than Jeremy Lin to pass on a first round pick?
Was Shane Larkin any better than Jarrett Jack to pass on a first round pick and a triangle big like Tyler Zeller?
Was Cleanthony Early any more valuable than Jared Dudley to pass on a first round pick?
I'd say "no" to everything mentioned above, yet we made trades that cost us the opportunity to pursue them.
As a side, I really like the idea of trading for a first round pick attached to Alec Burk. Joe Ingles might've shown enough to encourage the Jazz to move on from Alec, at his price tag, especially with the impending big-dollar extensions of George Hill and Gordon Hayward. Burk might be injury prone but I do think he has an intriguing enough of a skillset to gamble, with only 2 years left on his contract.
