yellowboy90 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We need better players period... we need vets that can play on both ends just like some of you guys are saying.... but what i can't understand is who do the other half of you guys think we're going to sign next year? We're not gong to get Durant or Lebron... we are rebuilding. No superstars wants to be here... but we can sign guys that see the big picture and want the opportunity to play and mentor young guys.

Bottom line is we souls be interested inn good players. Tucker, cunningham and Simmons are good players.

How much did Tucker help Phx? How much did Cunningham help N.O.? DO you really want to bet on Cunningham coming off the best year he has ever had from three? These are average players that are okay when they are hidden by great players that can carry the load. When they have to play roles on bad teams they are not useful. On top of that you are giving money to two players above 30 who are more than likely are going to get worst. It makes zero sense to waste time on players like that.

Save the money for teams who are looking to dumb players like that and will give you a 1st rd pick to do it.

Folks need to be honest with themselves- we're 3-5 years away from being a real franchise again. KP is at least 2-3 years away from being strong enough to stand his ground.

we're adding an 8th pick & trying to dump Melo. We need to tank next year - because if KP doesn't become a franchise talent, we'll be stuck in a mediocre circle of hell - barely able to get to the play offs, first round exits.

Doesn't matter one way or the other who we sign.

Now if you want to get some vets on the minimum not named Sasha go right ahead.

We have 19 mil to spend... we have Courtney Lee 12 million. We aren't paying the 3 guys mentioned 12 mil.... but maybe 8 mil. It would be a nice addition to the roster. Doesn't have to be those 3.... just skilled 2 way players that give a damn. We need that.... we would have to wait for the contending teams to get their guys first. Hopefully we can snag another tough 2 way guy once the market settles.

yellowboy90 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We need better players period... we need vets that can play on both ends just like some of you guys are saying.... but what i can't understand is who do the other half of you guys think we're going to sign next year? We're not gong to get Durant or Lebron... we are rebuilding. No superstars wants to be here... but we can sign guys that see the big picture and want the opportunity to play and mentor young guys.

Bottom line is we souls be interested inn good players. Tucker, cunningham and Simmons are good players.

How much did Tucker help Phx? How much did Cunningham help N.O.? DO you really want to bet on Cunningham coming off the best year he has ever had from three? These are average players that are okay when they are hidden by great players that can carry the load. When they have to play roles on bad teams they are not useful. On top of that you are giving money to two players above 30 who are more than likely are going to get worst. It makes zero sense to waste time on players like that.

Save the money for teams who are looking to dumb players like that and will give you a 1st rd pick to do it.

Folks need to be honest with themselves- we're 3-5 years away from being a real franchise again. KP is at least 2-3 years away from being strong enough to stand his ground.

we're adding an 8th pick & trying to dump Melo. We need to tank next year - because if KP doesn't become a franchise talent, we'll be stuck in a mediocre circle of hell - barely able to get to the play offs, first round exits.

Doesn't matter one way or the other who we sign.

Now if you want to get some vets on the minimum not named Sasha go right ahead.

We have 19 mil to spend... we have Courtney Lee 12 million. We aren't paying the 3 guys mentioned 12 mil.... but maybe 8 mil. It would be a nice addition to the roster. Doesn't have to be those 3.... just skilled 2 way players that give a damn. We need that.... we would have to wait for the contending teams to get their guys first. Hopefully we can snag another tough 2 way guy once the market settles.

nixluva wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We need better players period... we need vets that can play on both ends just like some of you guys are saying.... but what i can't understand is who do the other half of you guys think we're going to sign next year? We're not gong to get Durant or Lebron... we are rebuilding. No superstars wants to be here... but we can sign guys that see the big picture and want the opportunity to play and mentor young guys.

Bottom line is we souls be interested inn good players. Tucker, cunningham and Simmons are good players.

They want Melo to stay, Phil to be fired, Woodson to be coach and whatever manner starfukk possible to "win now". Oh and throw in 54 wins and blah blah blah..

The internet is FULL of this kind of thinking SMDH! It's like they never saw anything that happened over the last few years. There aren't any SAVIORS coming to the Knicks! We have to grow our own stars!!! Put quality role players around them and see how it develops.

Dude, cut the ****. You were the same dude hyping up every win-now acquisition as recently as this offseason while MOST of the posters on this board were advocating a tank/shift exclusively to Porzingis and his development. You are re-writing history.

Uptown wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We need better players period... we need vets that can play on both ends just like some of you guys are saying.... but what i can't understand is who do the other half of you guys think we're going to sign next year? We're not gong to get Durant or Lebron... we are rebuilding. No superstars wants to be here... but we can sign guys that see the big picture and want the opportunity to play and mentor young guys.

Bottom line is we souls be interested inn good players. Tucker, cunningham and Simmons are good players.

They want Melo to stay, Phil to be fired, Woodson to be coach and whatever manner starfukk possible to "win now". Oh and throw in 54 wins and blah blah blah..

Exaggerate much?!

Actually no, I dont think I do.

EnySpree wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We need better players period... we need vets that can play on both ends just like some of you guys are saying.... but what i can't understand is who do the other half of you guys think we're going to sign next year? We're not gong to get Durant or Lebron... we are rebuilding. No superstars wants to be here... but we can sign guys that see the big picture and want the opportunity to play and mentor young guys.

Bottom line is we souls be interested inn good players. Tucker, cunningham and Simmons are good players.

How much did Tucker help Phx? How much did Cunningham help N.O.? DO you really want to bet on Cunningham coming off the best year he has ever had from three? These are average players that are okay when they are hidden by great players that can carry the load. When they have to play roles on bad teams they are not useful. On top of that you are giving money to two players above 30 who are more than likely are going to get worst. It makes zero sense to waste time on players like that.

Save the money for teams who are looking to dumb players like that and will give you a 1st rd pick to do it.

Folks need to be honest with themselves- we're 3-5 years away from being a real franchise again. KP is at least 2-3 years away from being strong enough to stand his ground.

we're adding an 8th pick & trying to dump Melo. We need to tank next year - because if KP doesn't become a franchise talent, we'll be stuck in a mediocre circle of hell - barely able to get to the play offs, first round exits.

Doesn't matter one way or the other who we sign.

Now if you want to get some vets on the minimum not named Sasha go right ahead.

We have 19 mil to spend... we have Courtney Lee 12 million. We aren't paying the 3 guys mentioned 12 mil.... but maybe 8 mil. It would be a nice addition to the roster. Doesn't have to be those 3.... just skilled 2 way players that give a damn. We need that.... we would have to wait for the contending teams to get their guys first. Hopefully we can snag another tough 2 way guy once the market settles.

19 million now, but deals might be made over the summer to give the Knicks more cap room. I agree with those who say we need more veterans on the bench, we played more rookies than any other team I believe. That's good to a point. Just dont want to see Phil go on a binge if he manages to increase the Knicks cap space.

Hopefully KP is around to renew his contract in a couple of seasons, and having the cap room to go after top tier free agents or quality role players will be important. Don't want to see any more deals like Noah got between now and then.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Uptown wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We need better players period... we need vets that can play on both ends just like some of you guys are saying.... but what i can't understand is who do the other half of you guys think we're going to sign next year? We're not gong to get Durant or Lebron... we are rebuilding. No superstars wants to be here... but we can sign guys that see the big picture and want the opportunity to play and mentor young guys.

Bottom line is we souls be interested inn good players. Tucker, cunningham and Simmons are good players.

They want Melo to stay, Phil to be fired, Woodson to be coach and whatever manner starfukk possible to "win now". Oh and throw in 54 wins and blah blah blah..

Exaggerate much?!

Actually no, I dont think I do.

I guess I would be considered a part of the dark side since I mos def dont have any confidence in phil at all...However, I'm in the full-rebuild camp not this half-ass, one foot in one foot out, rebuild or not to rebuild, mode that phil is in tinkering with while he changes direction every year ...if it were up to me, I would push the reset button and get rid of phil, Melo, and the entire coaching staff...

So speaking for myself, firing phil does not equal we are in the Melo camp and want to star-fl***!

newyorker4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:

reub wrote:I don't think that we should just throw away next season already. Acquiring Rubio, PJ Tucker and say, drafting OG (if healthy) and Thornwell would make us a tough, defensive minded team.

it would certainly put us closer to a real identity. I think the idea is what I mentioned above. We draft an impact player. Maybe a guy like Dennis Smith who was really the best player in the draft but coming off an ACL so he drops to 8. We get 65-70 healthy games from Lance and Noah. We sign a guy like Tucker. Baker takes a step forward as a nice 3&D guy in the rotation, KP and Willy takes steps forward... we get balance from a Melo trade. Maybe even a decent player. Who knows... off season hasnt started yet. People are going bat**** crazy if KP's toilet get clogged.

Wait a minute...............................KP's toilet got clogged and nobody made a thread about it?? People are slacking around here.

Uptown wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Uptown wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We need better players period... we need vets that can play on both ends just like some of you guys are saying.... but what i can't understand is who do the other half of you guys think we're going to sign next year? We're not gong to get Durant or Lebron... we are rebuilding. No superstars wants to be here... but we can sign guys that see the big picture and want the opportunity to play and mentor young guys.

Bottom line is we souls be interested inn good players. Tucker, cunningham and Simmons are good players.

They want Melo to stay, Phil to be fired, Woodson to be coach and whatever manner starfukk possible to "win now". Oh and throw in 54 wins and blah blah blah..

Exaggerate much?!

Actually no, I dont think I do.

I guess I would be considered a part of the dark side since I mos def dont have any confidence in phil at all...However, I'm in the full-rebuild camp not this half-ass, one foot in one foot out, rebuild or not to rebuild, mode that phil is in tinkering with while he changes direction every year ...if it were up to me, I would push the reset button and get rid of phil, Melo, and the entire coaching staff...

So speaking for myself, firing phil does not equal we are in the Melo camp and want to star-fl***!

CrushAlot wrote:

Uptown wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Uptown wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We need better players period... we need vets that can play on both ends just like some of you guys are saying.... but what i can't understand is who do the other half of you guys think we're going to sign next year? We're not gong to get Durant or Lebron... we are rebuilding. No superstars wants to be here... but we can sign guys that see the big picture and want the opportunity to play and mentor young guys.

Bottom line is we souls be interested inn good players. Tucker, cunningham and Simmons are good players.

They want Melo to stay, Phil to be fired, Woodson to be coach and whatever manner starfukk possible to "win now". Oh and throw in 54 wins and blah blah blah..

Exaggerate much?!

Actually no, I dont think I do.

I guess I would be considered a part of the dark side since I mos def dont have any confidence in phil at all...However, I'm in the full-rebuild camp not this half-ass, one foot in one foot out, rebuild or not to rebuild, mode that phil is in tinkering with while he changes direction every year ...if it were up to me, I would push the reset button and get rid of phil, Melo, and the entire coaching staff...

So speaking for myself, firing phil does not equal we are in the Melo camp and want to star-fl***!

Well said. I agree with this as well.

I also agree...people take me for being anti phil,but im just basing my feelings on the out come of the last 3 season, which has been depressing to say the least, and the drama is isaiah like all day, minus the sexual harassment.

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

franco12 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We need better players period... we need vets that can play on both ends just like some of you guys are saying.... but what i can't understand is who do the other half of you guys think we're going to sign next year? We're not gong to get Durant or Lebron... we are rebuilding. No superstars wants to be here... but we can sign guys that see the big picture and want the opportunity to play and mentor young guys.

Bottom line is we souls be interested inn good players. Tucker, cunningham and Simmons are good players.

How much did Tucker help Phx? How much did Cunningham help N.O.? DO you really want to bet on Cunningham coming off the best year he has ever had from three? These are average players that are okay when they are hidden by great players that can carry the load. When they have to play roles on bad teams they are not useful. On top of that you are giving money to two players above 30 who are more than likely are going to get worst. It makes zero sense to waste time on players like that.

Save the money for teams who are looking to dumb players like that and will give you a 1st rd pick to do it.

Folks need to be honest with themselves- we're 3-5 years away from being a real franchise again. KP is at least 2-3 years away from being strong enough to stand his ground.

we're adding an 8th pick & trying to dump Melo. We need to tank next year - because if KP doesn't become a franchise talent, we'll be stuck in a mediocre circle of hell - barely able to get to the play offs, first round exits.

Doesn't matter one way or the other who we sign.

This. Stay the course and hope you draft a player that can make a difference in the next 3 years. Its are only shot at becoming meaningful. It sure wont be through free agency. Agree that these tyoe of players are solid and may add to a young players development but who cares? We are 3 to 5 years away from needing good character role players. Unless you believe we have a terrible coaching staff? Wait...ok, get them in right away. The thing I get a kick out of is how anyone really thinks these guys would want to sign here unless we, once again, overpay. Has anyone followed this **** show and realize what a joke we are? The only FA's coming are Noah/Over the hill type's that are looking for their last big retirement pay check from someone stupid enough to pay it......Knicks? You get rid of Melo you have to go with true rebuild and tank next 2 years. These role players will jsut take playing time away from the young guys your trying to develop.

the celtics won 24 games in the 06/07 season, made one trade to get KG, signed ray allan, and won 66 games and a championship the very next yr. So it's all about smart trading, and FA signings, and obvious coaching..

ainge and mchale making deals, who likes phil that much

NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We need better players period... we need vets that can play on both ends just like some of you guys are saying.... but what i can't understand is who do the other half of you guys think we're going to sign next year? We're not gong to get Durant or Lebron... we are rebuilding. No superstars wants to be here... but we can sign guys that see the big picture and want the opportunity to play and mentor young guys.

Bottom line is we souls be interested inn good players. Tucker, cunningham and Simmons are good players.

They want Melo to stay, Phil to be fired, Woodson to be coach and whatever manner starfukk possible to "win now". Oh and throw in 54 wins and blah blah blah..

The internet is FULL of this kind of thinking SMDH! It's like they never saw anything that happened over the last few years. There aren't any SAVIORS coming to the Knicks! We have to grow our own stars!!! Put quality role players around them and see how it develops.

Dude, cut the ****. You were the same dude hyping up every win-now acquisition as recently as this offseason while MOST of the posters on this board were advocating a tank/shift exclusively to Porzingis and his development. You are re-writing history.

GTFOH! I always mentioned that the moves were worth a shot because they weren't locked into Rose or Jennings and we had 3 Picks. It wasn't an ALL IN set of moves. NOW we no longer have to worry about trying to do something along Melo's timeline.