nixluva wrote:KP is under Knicks control and he stands to make the most by resigning with the Knicks.

"Once you get past 10 million dollars, it's all just a bunch of commas" - Sean Penn

While it's not the general rule, plenty of players have left money on the table to go elsewhere.

LBJ and Durant have shown short term deals to vest new Bird Rights to a new team means players can take a short term hit and still get paid at a high level.

The year before Mike Bibby came to the Knicks, he left 6 million on the table to join the Heat in a chase for a ring. Durant left money on the table to go Golden State. LBJ left money on the table to go the Heat. Dwight Howard left money on the table to join the Rockets. KJ McDaniels and Greg Monroe gave up guaranteed money to earn their freedom ( McDaniels version was pretty unprecedented)

Not everyone is Melo ( squeezing every last dollar he can, and No, his halfhearted "give back" of a few million on his NTC contract doesn't count, that was a PR move to appease Jackson's open ask for Melo to take a discount. What Dirk did, giving up about 70 million so the Mavs could sign other players, that's a huge give back)

KP can be crazy rich and have some of his freedom, or crazy rich plus a little more and be stuck in this dysfunctional organization.

Zinger can make a boatload of money and still go to a situation that is more conducive to winning and more franchise stability.

martin wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:KP is under Knicks control and he stands to make the most by resigning with the Knicks.

"Once you get past 10 million dollars, it's all just a bunch of commas" - Sean Penn

While it's not the general rule, plenty of players have left money on the table to go elsewhere.

LBJ and Durant have shown short term deals to vest new Bird Rights to a new team means players can take a short term hit and still get paid at a high level.

The year before Mike Bibby came to the Knicks, he left 6 million on the table to join the Heat in a chase for a ring. Durant left money on the table to go Golden State. LBJ left money on the table to go the Heat. Dwight Howard left money on the table to join the Rockets. KJ McDaniels and Greg Monroe gave up guaranteed money to earn their freedom ( McDaniels version was pretty unprecedented)

Not everyone is Melo ( squeezing every last dollar he can, and No, his halfhearted "give back" of a few million on his NTC contract doesn't count, that was a PR move to appease Jackson's open ask for Melo to take a discount. What Dirk did, giving up about 70 million so the Mavs could sign other players, that's a huge give back)

KP can be crazy rich and have some of his freedom, or crazy rich plus a little more and be stuck in this dysfunctional organization.

Zinger can make a boatload of money and still go to a situation that is more conducive to winning and more franchise stability.

All of those other guys you mention were not on their rookie deals except Monroe and he wasn't wanted by the team he played on and had Drummond in the same space as he.

High level rookie deals are 99% always extended if they player is high level. KP is high level.

In fact, I can't think of one high level rookie contract that wasn't extended, can you?

Also KP's brother stated pretty clearly that KP loves NY. If you combine the love of the city with more money than anywhere else it's a strong incentive.

On top of this the Knicks will be ADDING talent that fits Phil's Principles of Unselfish Team Play. Phil's done with trying to make moves that cater to Melo! Those moves have crashed and burned and Melo didn't exactly give his all to support those moves HE ASKED PHIL TO MAKE!!!

The good news for the Knicks regarding the massive roster trauma under Jackson is Anthony finally appears happy. No longer is there innuendo of wanting out this summer. There was speculation following his exit meeting with Jackson in mid-April that Anthony would ask for a new home by the time he convened in Vegas for the Olympics if Jackson struck out in free agency. That would’ve caused a circus-like distraction to Team USA’s quest — and Anthony’s quest to become the first USA player to win three Olympic basketball gold medals.

None of that exists now. Jackson has acknowledged his exit meeting with Anthony was intense, that his All-Star forward was concerned the timetable to win wasn’t in line with the final years of his prime. Anthony, according to Jackson, lobbied for a dynamic new point guard. Jackson landed Rose and a sweet domino effect ensued.

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:KP is under Knicks control and he stands to make the most by resigning with the Knicks.

"Once you get past 10 million dollars, it's all just a bunch of commas" - Sean Penn

While it's not the general rule, plenty of players have left money on the table to go elsewhere.

LBJ and Durant have shown short term deals to vest new Bird Rights to a new team means players can take a short term hit and still get paid at a high level.

The year before Mike Bibby came to the Knicks, he left 6 million on the table to join the Heat in a chase for a ring. Durant left money on the table to go Golden State. LBJ left money on the table to go the Heat. Dwight Howard left money on the table to join the Rockets. KJ McDaniels and Greg Monroe gave up guaranteed money to earn their freedom ( McDaniels version was pretty unprecedented)

Not everyone is Melo ( squeezing every last dollar he can, and No, his halfhearted "give back" of a few million on his NTC contract doesn't count, that was a PR move to appease Jackson's open ask for Melo to take a discount. What Dirk did, giving up about 70 million so the Mavs could sign other players, that's a huge give back)

KP can be crazy rich and have some of his freedom, or crazy rich plus a little more and be stuck in this dysfunctional organization.

Zinger can make a boatload of money and still go to a situation that is more conducive to winning and more franchise stability.

All of those other guys you mention were not on their rookie deals except Monroe and he wasn't wanted by the team he played on and had Drummond in the same space as he.

High level rookie deals are 99% always extended if they player is high level. KP is high level.

In fact, I can't think of one high level rookie contract that wasn't extended, can you?

Also KP's brother stated pretty clearly that KP loves NY. If you combine the love of the city with more money than anywhere else it's a strong incentive.

On top of this the Knicks will be ADDING talent that fits Phil's Principles of Unselfish Team Play. Phil's done with trying to make moves that cater to Melo! Those moves have crashed and burned and Melo didn't exactly give his all to support those moves HE ASKED PHIL TO MAKE!!!

The good news for the Knicks regarding the massive roster trauma under Jackson is Anthony finally appears happy. No longer is there innuendo of wanting out this summer. There was speculation following his exit meeting with Jackson in mid-April that Anthony would ask for a new home by the time he convened in Vegas for the Olympics if Jackson struck out in free agency. That would’ve caused a circus-like distraction to Team USA’s quest — and Anthony’s quest to become the first USA player to win three Olympic basketball gold medals.

None of that exists now. Jackson has acknowledged his exit meeting with Anthony was intense, that his All-Star forward was concerned the timetable to win wasn’t in line with the final years of his prime. Anthony, according to Jackson, lobbied for a dynamic new point guard. Jackson landed Rose and a sweet domino effect ensued.

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/new-york-post/20160718/282570197454325

lol, still passing the buck on Melo. Did Melo personally named Rose or did he say he wanted a pg. Phil didn't want a pg because its not like he was trying to trade Calderon all year long or anything. Phil was going to stay pat but instead he went out and grab two terrible pgs because Melo wanted him too.

JESUS help me!

LAS VEGAS — The wait is over. The Knicks are back.

So says Carmelo Anthony, who spoke for 20 minutes with a glowing Vegas review of Phil Jackson’s offseason moves.

Saying Jackson “stepped up,’’ Anthony called the Knicks “a playoff team,” adding the group is “a very special team on paper’’ and has its “competitive edge’’ back.

It’s as adamantly positive as Anthony has been since the Knicks came off their 54-28 season in 2012-13. Speaking after the first day of training camp for the US Olympic Team, Anthony made no bones about feeling the club should break its depressing three-year playoff dry spell.

“The time is now for us,’’ Anthony said Monday. “The time is now for the city and the fans. The time is now. Everybody is tired of waiting and waiting. Now it’s time we can go out there and put a competitive team [on the floor]. For me, the time is now. For us as city and an organization, that should be the mindset — the time is now.’’

“He did it for me?’’ Anthony said. “Thank you, Phil. I’ll take it.

“We have a very special team on paper right now. I think we have a good opportunity to do some things this year. It’s all about what we do. It’s all about us now, how we come together and gel together. For the most part, the pieces are there.”

TripleThreat wrote:

martin wrote:All of those other guys you mention were not on their rookie deals except Monroe and he wasn't wanted by the team he played on and had Drummond in the same space as he.

High level rookie deals are 99% always extended if they player is high level. KP is high level.

In fact, I can't think of one high level rookie contract that wasn't extended, can you?

I mentioned in the previous reply that it's more common than not for players to take the money.

Can you think of anyone you think of as a high level rookie on his rookie contract who simply stonewalled his franchise at the end of his 2nd year in the league?

It's not like the discussion of Zinger leaving the Knicks just comes out of nowhere.

Many of the previous players discussed above played through several incarnations of the CBA, different versions of it, esp when max contracts were longer, the mid level exception existed, expiring contracts had heavy value in the league in trade, carving out cap space was much harder and even the proliferation of the mass media/social media/sports media to point where the game evolved to a 24/7/365 venue.

More teams have more money than ever before to chase free agents. One of the reasons Durant and LBJ took shorter deals was also because the cap was projected to exponentially rise. It was a bet that Greg Monroe made as well, more money, fewer players out there to take it.

Is money alone going to be enough?

Maybe you think it will, I personally don't.

I don't care what Zinger's brother says in the press ( as if he would say anything other than the diplomatic thing....)

Zinger is stonewalling this team. His social media is buzzing about other teams then messages are deleted. A known NBA insider is working as a mouthpiece for Zinger's agent, which has precedent with other players and other teams.

When there's smoke, there's usually fire. If you think differently, then you do. I'm saying the Knicks have to look at the reality of the situation. Zinger is not happy, his unhappiness is public, there doesn't seem much room for real change in the next two years on this roster, its time to consider moving him before he walks and the Knicks face getting nothing or heavily declining return in exchange.

No one here WANTS to see him traded, but who says the situation even remotely goes near what people want? This is not about what the Knicks ideally want, this is about what the Knicks might need to do for the good of the franchise.

Question? Why do you refer to KP as Zinger? He hates that nickname and most don't use it! Is there some reason you're doing it?

KP giving the Knicks the silent treatment is STUPID! Phil has already made his decision to build with KP in mind as opposed to this year's team which had vets to fit Melo's wishes. So I fail to see the real point of his protest. It's STUPID and unnecessary at this point.

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:KP is under Knicks control and he stands to make the most by resigning with the Knicks.

"Once you get past 10 million dollars, it's all just a bunch of commas" - Sean Penn

While it's not the general rule, plenty of players have left money on the table to go elsewhere.

LBJ and Durant have shown short term deals to vest new Bird Rights to a new team means players can take a short term hit and still get paid at a high level.

The year before Mike Bibby came to the Knicks, he left 6 million on the table to join the Heat in a chase for a ring. Durant left money on the table to go Golden State. LBJ left money on the table to go the Heat. Dwight Howard left money on the table to join the Rockets. KJ McDaniels and Greg Monroe gave up guaranteed money to earn their freedom ( McDaniels version was pretty unprecedented)

Not everyone is Melo ( squeezing every last dollar he can, and No, his halfhearted "give back" of a few million on his NTC contract doesn't count, that was a PR move to appease Jackson's open ask for Melo to take a discount. What Dirk did, giving up about 70 million so the Mavs could sign other players, that's a huge give back)

KP can be crazy rich and have some of his freedom, or crazy rich plus a little more and be stuck in this dysfunctional organization.

Zinger can make a boatload of money and still go to a situation that is more conducive to winning and more franchise stability.

All of those other guys you mention were not on their rookie deals except Monroe and he wasn't wanted by the team he played on and had Drummond in the same space as he.

High level rookie deals are 99% always extended if they player is high level. KP is high level.

In fact, I can't think of one high level rookie contract that wasn't extended, can you?

Also KP's brother stated pretty clearly that KP loves NY. If you combine the love of the city with more money than anywhere else it's a strong incentive.

On top of this the Knicks will be ADDING talent that fits Phil's Principles of Unselfish Team Play. Phil's done with trying to make moves that cater to Melo! Those moves have crashed and burned and Melo didn't exactly give his all to support those moves HE ASKED PHIL TO MAKE!!!

The good news for the Knicks regarding the massive roster trauma under Jackson is Anthony finally appears happy. No longer is there innuendo of wanting out this summer. There was speculation following his exit meeting with Jackson in mid-April that Anthony would ask for a new home by the time he convened in Vegas for the Olympics if Jackson struck out in free agency. That would’ve caused a circus-like distraction to Team USA’s quest — and Anthony’s quest to become the first USA player to win three Olympic basketball gold medals.

None of that exists now. Jackson has acknowledged his exit meeting with Anthony was intense, that his All-Star forward was concerned the timetable to win wasn’t in line with the final years of his prime. Anthony, according to Jackson, lobbied for a dynamic new point guard. Jackson landed Rose and a sweet domino effect ensued.

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/new-york-post/20160718/282570197454325

lol, still passing the buck on Melo. Did Melo personally named Rose or did he say he wanted a pg. Phil didn't want a pg because its not like he was trying to trade Calderon all year long or anything. Phil was going to stay pat but instead he went out and grab two terrible pgs because Melo wanted him too.

JESUS help me!

LAS VEGAS — The wait is over. The Knicks are back.

So says Carmelo Anthony, who spoke for 20 minutes with a glowing Vegas review of Phil Jackson’s offseason moves.

Saying Jackson “stepped up,’’ Anthony called the Knicks “a playoff team,” adding the group is “a very special team on paper’’ and has its “competitive edge’’ back.

It’s as adamantly positive as Anthony has been since the Knicks came off their 54-28 season in 2012-13. Speaking after the first day of training camp for the US Olympic Team, Anthony made no bones about feeling the club should break its depressing three-year playoff dry spell.

“The time is now for us,’’ Anthony said Monday. “The time is now for the city and the fans. The time is now. Everybody is tired of waiting and waiting. Now it’s time we can go out there and put a competitive team [on the floor]. For me, the time is now. For us as city and an organization, that should be the mindset — the time is now.’’

“He did it for me?’’ Anthony said. “Thank you, Phil. I’ll take it.

“We have a very special team on paper right now. I think we have a good opportunity to do some things this year. It’s all about what we do. It’s all about us now, how we come together and gel together. For the most part, the pieces are there.”

https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.com/2016/07/18/carmelo-anthony-is-gushing-over-these-knicks-thank-you-phil/amp/

SO where does it say I told Phil I wanted Rose? He asked for help and like always Melo signs off on any move. The bottom line is just because someone ask you for help it doesn't mean you go out and get any old player. You have to pair players up that fit together.

LIKE WHO??? You know damned well that options have been few. At some point you have accept that players fail to do what they're supposed to do! Rose went on and on about wanting to be a ball distributor for KP ETC and then basically froze KP out!

Melo stabbed Phil in the BACK! He didn't buy in but rather led a mutiny. Don't lay this at Phil's feet when PLAYERS play the games and this team lost more than 16 games by 5 or less multiple last shot losses. That means the team was CAPABLE of winning more games than it did. They didn't put forth the effort on D! That's on the players. Namely the vets cuz the kids actually played hard on both ends.