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JrZyHuStLa
Posts: 25677 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 1/5/2007 Member: #1241 |
5/17/2017 12:09 PM
fishmike wrote:Cartman718 wrote:I think its a fair knock. Smith constantly overdribbles. You see tons of penetration followed by no play so he brings the ball back out. There were times he looked liked Iverson just dribbling all over the damn place until he got a seem to score or make a play. He's got insane quickness but Im not sure how his game translates. He's smaller than Monk and a TO machine as well. If they workout Smith and take him it means he really impressed, most likely with his mouth and what he had to say. He's very untriangle. Over dribble, high usage and small.PhilinLA wrote:I like Smith, but not for the Knicks. I think he's a bit selfish. It would be a mistake to draft simply for the triangle. Phil's days are numbered. |
nyk4ever
Posts: 41009 Alba Posts: 12 Joined: 1/12/2005 Member: #848 USA |
5/17/2017 12:34 PM
codeunknown wrote:nyk4ever wrote:codeunknown wrote:A string of poor outcomes have put us in a very vulnerable draft position. My board hasn't changed, with the risk/reward drop-off significant after pick 7. At this point, my only preference is to NOT draft Monk - hopefully he goes ahead, leaving any of the top 7 to fall. solid and understandable take. im pretty disappointed we fell out of the top7, the hopes of fox falling to 7 were probably unrealistic, but at 8, forget about it. the one thing i definitely agree with is your idea about the workouts focusing on certain plays/abilities. i think falling out of the top7 gives phil the ability to draft whoever is left that BEST fits into the triangle. "OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
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fishmike
Posts: 53199 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
5/17/2017 12:41 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:everyone's days are numbered. You pick guys that fit into your vision and style of play.fishmike wrote:Cartman718 wrote:I think its a fair knock. Smith constantly overdribbles. You see tons of penetration followed by no play so he brings the ball back out. There were times he looked liked Iverson just dribbling all over the damn place until he got a seem to score or make a play. He's got insane quickness but Im not sure how his game translates. He's smaller than Monk and a TO machine as well. If they workout Smith and take him it means he really impressed, most likely with his mouth and what he had to say. He's very untriangle. Over dribble, high usage and small.PhilinLA wrote:I like Smith, but not for the Knicks. I think he's a bit selfish. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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JrZyHuStLa
Posts: 25677 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 1/5/2007 Member: #1241 |
5/17/2017 12:44 PM
fishmike wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:everyone's days are numbered. You pick guys that fit into your vision and style of play.fishmike wrote:Cartman718 wrote:I think its a fair knock. Smith constantly overdribbles. You see tons of penetration followed by no play so he brings the ball back out. There were times he looked liked Iverson just dribbling all over the damn place until he got a seem to score or make a play. He's got insane quickness but Im not sure how his game translates. He's smaller than Monk and a TO machine as well. If they workout Smith and take him it means he really impressed, most likely with his mouth and what he had to say. He's very untriangle. Over dribble, high usage and small.PhilinLA wrote:I like Smith, but not for the Knicks. I think he's a bit selfish. Or you pick guys that can flat out play. The vision is to win, that's for all teams. |
NYKBocker
Posts: 38046 Alba Posts: 474 Joined: 1/14/2003 Member: #377 USA |
5/17/2017 12:47 PM
I am hoping we get Jonathan Isaac.
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fishmike
Posts: 53199 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
5/17/2017 12:47 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:so what guys who "can flat out play" are not good triangle players?fishmike wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:everyone's days are numbered. You pick guys that fit into your vision and style of play.fishmike wrote:Cartman718 wrote:I think its a fair knock. Smith constantly overdribbles. You see tons of penetration followed by no play so he brings the ball back out. There were times he looked liked Iverson just dribbling all over the damn place until he got a seem to score or make a play. He's got insane quickness but Im not sure how his game translates. He's smaller than Monk and a TO machine as well. If they workout Smith and take him it means he really impressed, most likely with his mouth and what he had to say. He's very untriangle. Over dribble, high usage and small.PhilinLA wrote:I like Smith, but not for the Knicks. I think he's a bit selfish. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
5/17/2017 12:50 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:Zebo13 wrote:EnySpree wrote: Every top pick has a weaknesses video. DE does a good job, but do you look at one player's weaknesses and not another's? Big thing is ALWAYS about the growth and evolution by a player. There is no Towns in this draft...there wasn't a Towns in last year's draft either, as we saw. I'll say the same thing about Ntilikina as I said about KP...and Willy, too- He has played against better competition than most American players, who are usually one year out of HS, and we rarely get detailed HS videos analyzing the HS careers of American one and done players- we only get their highlights. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
5/17/2017 12:52 PM LAST EDITED: 5/17/2017 1:57 PM
fwk00 wrote:There's a real risk in getting too myopic about the position you "need" so that it blindsides you to the player you didn't know you needed. Signature quality statement, here...many layers for analysis. Much better than this guy: There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know. Donald Rumsfeld EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
5/17/2017 12:54 PM
NYKBocker wrote:I am hoping we get Jonathan Isaac. I like him too...but someone would have to move up out of nowhere for him to drop to us. Not sure Phil has talked about him, or that he's been mentioned as a possible target...something that has disappointed me, because he was on my top 3 list for where I thought we would draft. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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JrZyHuStLa
Posts: 25677 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 1/5/2007 Member: #1241 |
5/17/2017 12:56 PM LAST EDITED: 5/17/2017 12:56 PM
fishmike wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:so what guys who "can flat out play" are not good triangle players?fishmike wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:everyone's days are numbered. You pick guys that fit into your vision and style of play.fishmike wrote:Cartman718 wrote:I think its a fair knock. Smith constantly overdribbles. You see tons of penetration followed by no play so he brings the ball back out. There were times he looked liked Iverson just dribbling all over the damn place until he got a seem to score or make a play. He's got insane quickness but Im not sure how his game translates. He's smaller than Monk and a TO machine as well. If they workout Smith and take him it means he really impressed, most likely with his mouth and what he had to say. He's very untriangle. Over dribble, high usage and small.PhilinLA wrote:I like Smith, but not for the Knicks. I think he's a bit selfish. If a guy can flat out play, the system isn't as vital. You just don't draft for a system, especially for a franchise as shaky as the Knicks. You just go after the best talent. And imo, Smith is probably the BPA at 8. "Tons of penetration followed by no play" is also a likelihood of NC State's lack of talent. His 6'1" size with shoes is taller than Chris Paul, Kemba Walker and Conley although wingspan is an issue. I thought this was a good read: http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2017/5/17/15639494/nba-draft-2017-scouting-profile-dennis-smith-jr |
WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
5/17/2017 12:58 PM
fishmike wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:so what guys who "can flat out play" are not good triangle players?fishmike wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:everyone's days are numbered. You pick guys that fit into your vision and style of play.fishmike wrote:Cartman718 wrote:I think its a fair knock. Smith constantly overdribbles. You see tons of penetration followed by no play so he brings the ball back out. There were times he looked liked Iverson just dribbling all over the damn place until he got a seem to score or make a play. He's got insane quickness but Im not sure how his game translates. He's smaller than Monk and a TO machine as well. If they workout Smith and take him it means he really impressed, most likely with his mouth and what he had to say. He's very untriangle. Over dribble, high usage and small.PhilinLA wrote:I like Smith, but not for the Knicks. I think he's a bit selfish. Yup...you assume that Phil had the Triangle in mind when he took KP, but we all know KP is flexible enough as a player to perform in most systems run in the NBA. I think Jackson has always said that a talented and intelligent player can play in the Triangle...as long as we take a talented and intelligent player I'll be happy. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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Chandler
Posts: 26114 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/26/2015 Member: #6197 |
5/17/2017 1:20 PM
Serious question: has Phil ever flubbed a lottery (or type) pick
I'm thinking Scottie Horace Bynum KP Is there a flop I'm forgetting? (5)(5)
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